The Breaking Romney Story

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Riot

Romney camp announces Romney will give individual interviews to every major television station ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and FOX this afternoon, to try and explain this current ... situation ... of being caught in multiple lies.

Romney has never done this before (he is press-adverse to non-FOX press). Interviews are supposed to be televised on evening newscasts.

Intrade has Romney 14% that he'll plead the 5th at some point.

ROR

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dagolfer33

... I can assure you I am unimpressed with anything political on either side of the aisle. Somehow, someway, political reform will happen in the near future.

It's called being a voter In between Tweeting, mowing the grass, raising the kids, and grocery shopping, we are responsible for governing our own democratic destiny.

It would be great if we could send all of these snake-oil salesmen/women politicians to Antarctica and start over.

We get a chance to start over constantly. Every year. Few eligible Americans vote. Fewer yet bother to even learn basics about a candidate.

Florida, the land of seniors, elected as governor the man who ran the company that was found guilty of the largest $$ Medicare fraud in history, and who campaigned on getting rid of their Medicare.

Hello? Florida voters? Hello?

As for those pk4 takeout rates......well.......you have to win every once in a while to be affected:

LOL - Well, we agree on that, certainly

[Riot]

Originally Posted by bigrun

ROR

Remember how intolerant and a bit superior Mitt was towards Perry, and Gingrich in the primaries, when the questioning got good?

I think his main worry is looking like a condescending arrogant jackass if the reporter actually questions him.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Riot

It's called being a voter In between Tweeting, mowing the grass, raising the kids, and grocery shopping, we are responsible for governing our own democratic destiny.



We get a chance to start over constantly. Every year. Few eligible Americans vote. Fewer yet bother to even learn basics about a candidate.

Florida, the land of seniors, elected as governor the man who ran the company that was found guilty of the largest $$ Medicare fraud in history, and who campaigned on getting rid of their Medicare.

Hello? Florida voters? Hello?



LOL - Well, we agree on that, certainly

Those old folks down there don't have puters, send your post to AARP and have them publish it in their mag...

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Riot

Remember how intolerant and a bit superior Mitt was towards Perry, and Gingrich in the primaries, when the questioning got good?

I think his main worry is looking like a condescending arrogant jackass if the reporter actually questions him.

You mean like he did at the NAACP convention?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by bigrun

Those old folks down there don't have puters, send your post to AARP and have them publish it in their mag...

OMG, I have tons of retired, ultra-conservative family on Marco and in Naples ... they all watch Faux News and are so misinformed as to reality it's appalling.

Yes, they believe Obama is an evil Kenyan socialist without a birth certificate who has raised their taxes and created death panels with Obamacare.

I asked one if they'd noticed their Medicare Rx costs go down this year - said yes. I said, "due to Obamacare and donut hole provision adjustments" They denied it could be possible that was the reason. What can you do?

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

OMG, I have tons of retired, ultra-conservative family on Marco and in Naples ... they all watch Faux News and are so misinformed as to reality it's appalling.

Yes, they believe Obama is an evil Kenyan socialist without a birth certificate who has raised their taxes and created death panels with Obamacare.

I asked one if they'd noticed their Medicare Rx costs go down this year - said yes. I said, "due to Obamacare and donut hole provision adjustments" They denied it could be possible that was the reason. What can you do?

You could show them proof, in writing from within the law as written. Always (almost always) works for me when making a point.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by bigrun

You mean like he did at the NAACP convention?

Why would you go into a place where 25% of the demographic will benefit from the ACA, and you tell them you'll take that healthcare away, and you call it the GOP slur, "Obamacare" to their faces for good measure?

'Cause you are cruising for "every vote"? ROFLMAO Hardly. You're being a deliberate douche.

I still think Mitt's team is more inept than cunning. Rove and Crossroads is cutthroat and nasty, but I think Mitt's guys are just incompetent. They've let this Bain thing drag on and on. It's amateur.

Romney just met with Cheney. Let's see what Mr. Evil Politics Cheney told him to do about this Bain disaster.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Why do you think they put all the avoidance clauses in there?

been saying for some time that we need tax reform. but expecting congress to fix things would be akin to hiring wolves to guard the sheep.
all we need know comes from that study that came out a few months ago that showed that members of the govt are the ones who have profited during the downturn.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

You could show them proof, in writing from within the law as written. Always (almost always) works for me when making a point.

That doesn't work when you present proof to someone, but the person simply refuses to read it.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Danzig

been saying for some time that we need tax reform. but expecting congress to fix things would be akin to hiring wolves to guard the sheep.
all we need know comes from that study that came out a few months ago that showed that members of the govt are the ones who have profited during the downturn.

Reformation of the tax code has to come first. Simple and clear that doesn't let so many completely off the hook. It is worth paying something to live here.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Reformation of the tax code has to come first. Simple and clear that doesn't let so many completely off the hook. It is worth paying something to live here.

Obama is not renewing the Bush tax gift for income over $250,000. That is a loophole for the wealthy. Do you approve of closing it, or not?

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

That doesn't work when you present proof to someone, but the person simply refuses to read it.

If it came from within the actual document how could they possibly refute that? Pull the pages out and say look it is right here, you are saving because of this. I can send you the link to my copy of the ACA if you need one. It is an exhaustive read but really quite informative and terrifying at the same time. Lots of great ideas mixed in with all kinds of nonsense that had no place in such a thing.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Obama is not renewing the Bush tax gift for income over $250,000. That is a loophole for the wealthy. Do you approve of closing it, or not?

250K is not wealthy. Make it an even buck and I am on board.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

If it came from within the actual document how could they possibly refute that?

They just refuse to read it.

You know how some folks can be

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Riot

OMG, I have tons of retired, ultra-conservative family on Marco and in Naples ... they all watch Faux News and are so misinformed as to reality it's appalling.

Yes, they believe Obama is an evil Kenyan socialist without a birth certificate who has raised their taxes and created death panels with Obamacare.

I asked one if they'd noticed their Medicare Rx costs go down this year - said yes. I said, "due to Obamacare and donut hole provision adjustments" They denied it could be possible that was the reason. What can you do?

My sis in PA is one of them!...watches Fox and thinks Obama slipped into the country from Haiti after a Kenyan vessel dropped him here..

And my best friend's wife told me 4 years ago, 'you know Obama's a Muslem'..

Both still have the same attitude only maybe slightly worse...

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

250K is not wealthy. Make it an even buck and I am on board.

People who make $250,000 get the same tax breaks on their income as everyone else who makes less. The Dems want to renew that, the Republicans want to obstruct and raise those taxes.

We are discussing the extra tax break on income over $250,000. Do you think that gift, loophole, should continue, or be closed?

Reminder: we have a big debt, and that loophole has caused about 1/3 of it.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Riot

Why would you go into a place where 25% of the demographic will benefit from the ACA, and you tell them you'll take that healthcare away, and you call it the GOP slur, "Obamacare" to their faces for good measure?

'Cause you are cruising for "every vote"? ROFLMAO Hardly. You're being a deliberate douche.

I still think Mitt's team is more inept than cunning. Rove and Crossroads is cutthroat and nasty, but I think Mitt's guys are just incompetent. They've let this Bain thing drag on and on. It's amateur.

Romney just met with Cheney. Let's see what Mr. Evil Politics Cheney told him to do about this Bain disaster.

Probably tell him to shoot them in the face...

[Riot]

Originally Posted by bigrun

Probably tell him to shoot them in the face...

I can't wait to see how Romney explains this. This guy blatantly lies more than any presidential candidate I've seen, even John Edwards. And the reason Romney is lying about this is so stupid ... it's simply so the Obama campaign can't nail him for outsourcing jobs to China, and to try avoiding to show his tax returns. He's denying he was CEO of Bain when Bain did nasty stuff.

Of course, when you can't run on your achievements as Governor of a state you didn't really live in, all that's left is, "I'm a good businessman". He was a good investment manager. He didn't develop companies - he created profit for investors. Different thing.

4:30 headlines: more outright proof Romney has lied:

POISON PEN: ROMNEY AT WORK DURING 'RETIREMENT
Signed Docs Show Romney Doing Bain Work

Romney Camp Last August: He Did Not Have 'Any Active Role In Any Way'

PANIC? Mitt Schedules Media Blitz
Interviews With Major Networks, CNN, Fox News... 'Mess'

Obama's Real Target

Dem Governor: McCain Saw Romney's Tax Files – And Chose Palin

[Riot]

I can't believe how this guy lies ... and can't even cover his tracks. This isn't the private business world. This is politics, where reporters are all over your most intimate secrets. How could Romney think he could get away with this?

Posted late today:

WASHINGTON -- Between 1999 and 2001, Mitt Romney, then the CEO of Bain Capital, signed at least six documents that the private equity firm filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

The documents run in direct contradiction to a claim that Romney has made repeatedly: that he had nothing to do with Bain, and therefore no responsibility for Bain investments, during that period.

It's also a claim he made in August 2011 on the federal disclosure form he filed as part of his presidential bid. Romney didn't leave any wiggle room:

That is false.

SEC files include at least six instances of Romney signing documents after February 1999, proving -- unless the signatures were forged -- that his claim to not have "been involved in the operations of any Bain Capital entity in any way" is wrong.