Romney refuses Obama campaign offer to stop talking about taxes

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pointman

This is absolute nonsense and nothing more than your attempt to take the legitimate concern that people have with the President's association with a known raciest who spews anti-American views and unfairly dimiss not just anyone who raises it, but anyone who assoicate's themselves with one of the two major political parties as a raciest.

I find the above quote of what you are projecting on anyone who disagrees with your views as utterly disgusting. You should be ashamed of what you wrote above, it is only you who is injecting race unfairly.

I'm not ashamed in the least for pointing at racism and calling it by it's name. Yes, that's why I think Rev. Wright is still being brought up by many- because the only other reason for bringing up Rev. Wright years later is the reason you ignored and didn't answer: where is the demonstrated "result" and "influence" of Obama's association with this terrible hate-monger?

So, we have two reasons for people bringing up Rev.Wright today: I say the first one is the well-known Republican Southern Strategy, the reason Clinton first brought up Wright in the 2008 primary (before she abandoned it as useless due to lack of Obama contact w/Wright) - appealing to racists and driving "fear of the angry vengeful black man".

You can pretend that doesn't even exist, but I don't see how one can justify such a view.

Secondly, the negative influence such a man would have. So tell me, as you've ignored it completely in your answer -where is the negative influence of this man Wright on our President, that makes it an ongoing concern to you years later? Doesn't the past 4 years - let alone all the years under the public microscope - prove Wright had no apparent negative influence upon Obama, judging Obama by his actions and words?

I acknoweged in my previous post, agreeing with you, that yes, Wright could be a negative influence. I asked you if that's been demonstrated, because I've seen the opposite. You wanna answer that? You say that is the reason Wright is still being brought up. Okay. So, let's examine that concern. I went first and said I hadn't seen cause for such concern. Have you? Where? How?

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Riot

I'm not ashamed in the least for pointing at racism and calling it by it's name. Yes, that's why I think Rev. Wright is still being brought up by many- because the only other reason for bringing up Rev. Wright years later is the reason you ignored and didn't answer: where is the demonstrated "result" and "influence" of Obama's association with this terrible hate-monger?

No one deflected and changed the issue but you. You changed the issue to stick your left foot in your mouth in attempt to pull the right foot you stuck in your mouth beforehand with a racial comment that I pointed out. The issue is legitimate and your attempt to spin those concerned with it as racial is disgusting, plain and simple. Keep getting yourself deeper in the hole.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pointman

No one deflected and changed the issue but you. You changed the issue to stick your left foot in your mouth in attempt to pull the right foot you stuck in your mouth beforehand with an racial comment that I pointed out. The issue is legitimate and your attempt to spin those concerned with it as racial is disgusting, plain and simple. Keep getting yourself deeper in the hole.

I'll try again:

Go back and read my response to you. The question is, "Why is Rev. Wright still being brought up?"

I say one reason is Southern Strategy dog whistles and racism. You say that doesn't even exist. I say that's baloney. Okay, so we differ.

I agreed with you - two posts ago, hello! - that the second reason Rev. Wright is still being brought up, agreeing with you that is a valid reason, is what influence a man like Wright could have on the President?

I asked you, two posts ago, to tell me what you see that makes this concern an ongoing worry now, years later.

Because Obama has been in the public eye for years now, under a microscope for the past 6 - you have a concern - has it been proven, or disproven to you?

I say, judging by the man's actions and words, that concern is disproven.

Waiting for your answer.

[Thepaindispenser]

Riot, I produced an article where Obama said that he never misses a Sunday at Wright's church. You have responded that he didn't attend it regularly and other nonsense yet you have not produced one iota of proof to back up your claims. I caught in a lie.

Yes, it is legitimate to question the sanity, judgement, and ability to lead of anyone who would sit in that church for 20 years and listen to that hateful rhetoric. Also, Obama didn't voluntarily disassociate himself from Wright, he only did it after his candidacy was severely threatened. You are such a hypocrite, if a Republican attended a church for 20 years where hateful, racist rhetoric was in the sermons, you would not only be calling that person a racist but also anybody who defended them.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Thepaindispenser

Riot, I produced an article where Obama said that he never misses a Sunday at Wright's church. You have responded that he didn't attend it regularly and other nonsense yet you have not produced one iota of proof to back up your claims. I caught in a lie.

No. I responded that apparently you caught Obama in a lie, as what he said there differs from what he said elsewhere, and what his churchmembers said during the 2008 campaign.

Yes, it is legitimate to question the sanity, judgement, and ability to lead of anyone who would sit in that church for 20 years and listen to that hateful rhetoric.

Yeah. I agreed with that "listening to hate" thing posts ago with Pointman. He can't read, either.

I'll ask you the same question I asked him - what behaviour or words have you seen, as Obama has been in the microscope of the public eye over the past 6 years, and demonstrated his opinion by words and actions, that causes you to be concerned still and bring up Rev. Wright again?

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Riot

I'll try again:

Go back and read my response to you. The question is, "Why is Rev. Wright still being brought up?"

I say one reason is Southern Strategy dog whistles and racism. You say that doesn't even exist. I say that's baloney. Okay, so we differ.

I agreed with you - two posts ago, hello! - that the second reason Rev. Wright is still being brought up, agreeing with you that is a valid reason, is what influence a man like Wright could have on the President?

I asked you, two posts ago, to tell me what you see that makes this concern an ongoing worry now, years later.

Because Obama has been in the public eye for years now, under a microscope for the past 6 - you have a concern - has it been proven, or disproven to you?

I say, judging by the man's actions and words, that concern is disproven.

Waiting for your answer.

I am tired of playing your stupid games, but since you want me to make a fool of you, I will. I, and many others, are concerned about Obama's background and true feelings regarding this country. Since Obama is a persistent liar, many Americans understand that they cannot take him at his word and have to look beyond that, like the people he associates with, such as raciest, Amercian hating Preacher's at a church he attended for 20 years and known Black Panther members. And it is just as relevant now as it was four years ago, particularly in light of the fact that he does not have to face voters again if he is re-elected and may be more likely to govern with his real views knowing so.

Now that I have answered the question you asked after deflecting my first question, would you care to answer my first question which had nothing to do with Rev. Wright? Please tell me why you had to stoop to the racial generalization that it is old, white and men who are the forcing vaginal ultrasounds and a woman's ability to procreate?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pointman

I am tired of playing your stupid games, but since you want me to make a fool of you, I will. I, and many others, are concerned about Obama's background and true feelings regarding this country. Since Obama is a persistent liar,

Really? Do name many of his "persistent lies".

And please - go ahead and tell us how Obama has demonstrated his "true feelings" - that you fear so obviously - for this country during his first term. Name specifics that have concerned you.

... and have to look beyond that, like the people he associates with, such as raciest, Amercian hating Preacher's at a church he attended for 20 years and known Black Panther members.

So you think that everyone who associated with bad influences decades ago is forever tainted by those influences. Does that apply to you, too?

Does that apply to good influences, too, staying with you forever? Or just bad ones?

I find it interesting that you think that every kid who read Atlas Shrugged in college, or pretended to be an anarchist in their 20's, is still what they were, and that people don't change or grow - LOL.

And it is just as relevant now as it was four years ago, particularly in light of the fact that he does not have to face voters again if he is re-elected and may be more likely to govern with his real views knowing so.

SCARY BLACK MAN WITH SECRET VIEWS HE'S KEPT HIDDEN FOR YEARS FROM THE PUBLIC EYE!

Yeah, I know exactly what you are about. I'm done with you.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Riot

Really? Do name many of his "persistent lies".

And please - go ahead and tell us how Obama has demonstrated his "true feelings" - that you fear so obviously - for this country during his first term. Name specifics that have concerned you.



So you think that everyone who associated with bad influences decades ago is forever tainted by those influences. Does that apply to you, too?

Does that apply to good influences, too, staying with you forever? Or just bad ones?

I find it interesting that you think that every kid who read Atlas Shrugged in college, or pretended to be an anarchist in their 20's, is still what they were, and that people don't change or grow - LOL.



SCARY BLACK MAN WITH SECRET VIEWS HE'S KEPT HIDDEN FOR YEARS FROM THE PUBLIC EYE!

Yeah, I know exactly what you are about. I'm done with you.

You can keep on trying to deflect the issues and attempt to suggest that everyone who disagees with you is a raciest when eveyone can see that you consistently keep avoiding the question I asked you. This is one of the many reasons why you have no credibility here.

[phystech]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, it is about Rev. Wright spewing hate.

You realize that Wright is retired, and has been for years now?
That Obama and family haven't attended that church in years?
That their intermittent attendance had been verified by other church members?
That Obama's had no association with Rev. Wright after he went off the deep end with his sermons at the end of his career?
That Wright didn't talk like that at all his sermons, or during the majority of his career as pastor, according to other church members? It was an "end of career" thing, and not common?

Obama said he wasn't present for those hate sermons, other church members verified they rarely attended, you can believe him or not.

It's clear, you choose "not".

So then, my question to you, who fear Obama possesses the same type of 'hate for the white man' as Rev.Wright in his latter career, comes down to: How has Obama demonstrated, during his many years of public life under the microscope, the same type of "hate for the white man" as Rev. Wright?

Ever? No. He never has. He has represented the complete opposite in his public life statements and actions.

Including his attendance at his current Episcopalian Church. You know how dangerous and subversive those Episcopalians are!

So why do some continue to insist upon bringing up Rev. Wright, from years ago, now? I say it's obviously attempting to not get Obama reelected via blowing those Southern Strategy Dog Whistles loud and clear.

Wright may be retired but you can't run from his statements and the fact that one of his parishioners is now the Pres. Either a follower disavows and runs from the message or he stays and follows. Zebra never changes his stripes.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by phystech

Wright may be retired but you can't run from his statements and the fact that one of his parishioners is now the Pres. Either a follower disavows and runs from the message or he stays and follows. Zebra never changes his stripes.

The President did disavow Wrights rantings. No credit from you for that, huh?

[phystech]

Originally Posted by Riot

The President did disavow Wrights rantings. No credit from you for that, huh?

Lip service from a guy that was planning on re-election 4 years ago. A zebra never changes his stripes - he says what he has to say, when he has to say it, just like all of them do... some fall for it, others don't.

How do you feel about Martin O'Malley? He's the 2016 candidate from MD - and a total piece of crap.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by phystech

Lip service from a guy that was planning on re-election 4 years ago. A zebra never changes his stripes - he says what he has to say, when he has to say it, just like all of them do.. some fall for it, others don't.

So does that apply to John McCain, too?

[pointman]

Originally Posted by phystech

Lip service from a guy that was planning on re-election 4 years ago. A zebra never changes his stripes - he says what he has to say, when he has to say it, just like all of them do... some fall for it, others don't.

How do you feel about Martin O'Malley? He's the 2016 candidate from MD - and a total piece of crap.

She is resorting to the twofold Obama/liberal defense on this issue. First, claim it didn't happen despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and the President's admissions that he attended services for 20 years. When intelligent people call her out on that and even when she challenges one to post a quote of Obama admitting it implying it doesn't exist and that poster does post the quote, she resorts to the second defense, call someone a raciest for even thinking of raising this issue.

Thank you for being one of the sane people here and taking the time to challenge her BS knowing the price you will ultimately pay in the vortex of spin and lies she will never stop coming back with.

[phystech]

Originally Posted by Riot

So does that apply to John McCain, too?

What the fuc.k does John MCcain have to do with this?? Address the issues.... I don't recall MCcain being a candidate for anything outside Arizona, and I don't live in Arizona - do you?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by phystech

What the fuc.k does John MCcain have to do with this?? Address the issues.... I don't recall MCcain being a candidate for anything outside Arizona, and I don't live in Arizona - do you?

You said:
"Either a follower disavows and runs from the message or he stays and follows. Zebra never changes his stripes."

I said that Obama had totally disavowed Wright during his 2008 campaign.

You then modified what you said, to, "Lip service from a guy that was planning on re-election 4 years ago. A zebra never changes his stripes - he says what he has to say, when he has to say it, just like all of them do... some fall for it, others don't."

So, okay, now you say nobody can ever really disavow anything in their past, and you're going only with "a zebra never changes his stripes".

So I'm asking you, does your "a zebra never changes his stripes" comment apply to John McCain, too. How about Mitt Romney? Paul Ryan? How about you?

[Thepaindispenser]

Nice try Riot, he only disavowed Wright when it was publically exposed and his campaign was in trouble, then he went before the entire nation and lied about never hearing Wright's racist and hateful rhetoric, what a man of honor! If the MSM didn't protect him, he would have been gone from our lives and the country would have been much better off.

I am surprised Riot hasn't claimed a zebra not changing its stripes is racist. Make a fool out of her in another post or two and then she will bust it out as like you said phystech a zebra never changes it's stripes.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Thepaindispenser

Nice try Riot, he only disavowed Wright when it was publically exposed and his campaign was in trouble, then he went before the entire nation and lied about never hearing Wright's racist and hateful rhetoric, what a man of honor! If the MSM didn't protect him, he would have been gone from our lives and the country would have been much better off.

I am surprised Riot hasn't claimed a zebra not changing its stripes is racist. Make a fool out of her in another post or two and then she will bust it out as like you said phystech a zebra never changes it's stripes.

SCARY BLACK MAN WITH SECRET WHITE HATE AGENDA, MAY GOVERN DIFFERENTLY ONCE HE'S RE-ELECTED! LOOK OUT!

"In American politics, the Southern strategy refers to the Republican Party strategy of winning elections in Southern states by exploiting anti–African American racism and fears of lawlessness among Southern white voters and appealing to fears of growing federal power in social and economic matters (generally lumped under the concept of states' rights)."

Disgusting. Foolish. Stupid. Sad.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Riot

SCARY BLACK MAN WITH SECRET WHITE HATE AGENDA, MAY GOVERN DIFFERENTLY ONCE HE'S RE-ELECTED! LOOK OUT!

"In American politics, the Southern strategy refers to the Republican Party strategy of winning elections in Southern states by exploiting anti–African American racism and fears of lawlessness among Southern white voters and appealing to fears of growing federal power in social and economic matters (generally lumped under the concept of states' rights)."

Disgusting. Foolish. Stupid. Sad.

Do you have any idea of the fool you are making yourself out to be?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pointman

Do you have any idea of the fool you are making yourself out to be?

I'm not the one afraid of the SCARY BLACK MAN. But you go right ahead

WARNING: the above was a terrible incidence of internet bullying, of Riot taking advantage of poor Mr. Pointman, who can't make one post on this board without Riot brutally attacking him (except for all the posts he makes that she ignores)

Oh, yeah: and I always stalk poor Pointman, too. Except, you know, when I don't.

[pointman]

I can see how truthful you were about using the ignore button on me.