13 Iowans apologize for 2008 Obama vote

[joeydb]

This ad appeared in the Des Moines Register. I personally have not seen anything like this before.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by joeydb

This ad appeared in the Des Moines Register. I personally have not seen anything like this before.

Paid for by Romney for President inc. fuking priceless

[joeydb]

Right - of course paid by the candidate - it was the apology part that I thought was different. Rare, if not new.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Right - of course paid by the candidate - it was the apology part that I thought was different. Rare, if not new.

It was a pretty popular thing for Republicans do to after Bush, Joey.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Riot

It was a pretty popular thing for Republicans do to after Bush, Joey.

OK - did not recall that. In 2008, I assume?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

OK - did not recall that. In 2008, I assume?

There were several New York and Washington full-page advertisements of prominent Republicans listing their names and recommending not voting for McCain, but for Obama. It's not that unusual. Has happened in previous elections, where long-time party faithfuls go rogue in a public way.

Your listing is simply a campaign ad, though, paid for by Romney. Voters switching parties isn't unusual.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Riot

There were several New York and Washington full-page advertisements of prominent Republicans listing their names and recommending not voting for McCain, but for Obama. It's not that unusual. Has happened in previous elections, where long-time party faithfuls go rogue in a public way.

Your listing is simply a campaign ad, though, paid for by Romney. Voters switching parties isn't unusual.

OK so I guess it's history repeating itself. Not surprising in such an important election.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

OK so I guess it's history repeating itself. Not surprising in such an important election.

Agreed. But Joey, only about half our eligible USA voters even bother to vote. We are like 30th in voting turnout among democracies.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Riot

Agreed. But Joey, only about half our eligible USA voters even bother to vote. We are like 30th in voting turnout among democracies.

I can agree there. Country would be better off if everyone voted, researched thoroughly to make sure they are making their best choice, and, so there is one and only one vote per eligible person (non-felon over age of 18), they show ID at the polls.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

I can agree there. Country would be better off if everyone voted, researched thoroughly to make sure they are making their best choice, and, so there is one and only one vote per eligible person (non-felon over age of 18), they show ID at the polls.

People do have to show ID at the polls, Joey, and voter fraud is rare to non-existent, cases in the few hundreds nationally over the years.

So - are you going to vote for the candidate whose policies promise to raise the debt by trillions, or the candidate who has started to cut the debt?

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Riot

People do have to show ID at the polls, Joey, and voter fraud is rare to non-existent, cases in the few hundreds nationally over the years.

So - are you going to vote for the candidate whose policies promise to raise the debt by trillions, or the candidate who has started to cut the debt?

I think I'll vote against the candidate who has already raised the debt by trillions. That probability is already 100%.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

I think I'll vote against the candidate who has already raised the debt by trillions. That probability is already 100%.

Sad how many voters in the US are so factually uninformed.

You do realize that Mitt Romney's policies will immediately add $5 trillion to our debt? And you are just "hoping" that's not real?

I really am tired of paying out of my pocket for other voters ... being grossly misinformed.

PS - prove right here that Obama raised the debt by "trillions", and I'll vote for Romney. Simply list the Obama policies in the last four years, that you say have raised the debt by "trillions", with the name of the policy and the cost.

You see, truth is that Obama policies and programs over the past four years have only added just under $1 trillion to the debt. Blaming Obama for the entire previous debt of this country, it's ongoing interest, and the entire debt of the SS trust fund, is false and absurd. But that's exactly what your statement does.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Riot

Sad how many voters in the US are so factually uninformed.

You do realize that Mitt Romney's policies will immediately add $5 trillion to our debt? And you are just "hoping" that's not real?

I really am tired of paying out of my pocket for other voters ... being grossly misinformed.

PS - prove right here that Obama raised the debt by "trillions", and I'll vote for Romney. Simply list the Obama policies in the last four years, that you say have raised the debt by "trillions", with the name of the policy and the cost.

You see, truth is that Obama policies and programs over the past four years have only added just under $1 trillion to the debt. Blaming Obama for the entire previous debt of this country, it's ongoing interest, and the entire debt of the SS trust fund, is false and absurd. But that's exactly what your statement does.

The deficits have exceeded $1 trillion for each of his four years, and were added to the debt. He's already killing us.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

The deficits have exceeded $1 trillion for each of his four years, and were added to the debt. He's already killing us.

We are talking the debt - we are not talking the deficit. Obama has cut the deficit significantlyl, btw, and you know it.

Obama did not add $16 trillion in debt with his policies. That is not true, and that is exactly what you have blamed him for.

Obama is not responsible for causing or creating the debt that he inherited.

Obama is not responsible for the ongoing interest we are paying, and the debt we are paying off, for US debt he inherited.

Obama is not responsible for the debt from the Social Security trust fund, which you are saying he is, and is included in the $16 trillion. That's absurd.

Fact - Obama's policies have added just under $1 trillion to our debt.

You said, "Obama has raised the debt by trillions", and you use the figure that "the debt has raised to $16 trillion" (it hasn't, echnically, yet, by the way, that's at the end of this fiscal year) Prove it. You cannot. It's not true.

So if you want to be an informed voter, you can vote for the guy who decreased the deficit and whose policies added $1.4 trillion to our debt - or you can vote for the guy whose policies promise to add $5 trillion to our debt.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Riot

We are talking the debt - we are not talking the deficit. Obama has cut the deficit significantlyl, btw, and you know it.

Obama did not add $16 trillion in debt with his policies. That is not true, and that is exactly what you have blamed him for.

Obama is not responsible for causing or creating the debt that he inherited.

Obama is not responsible for the ongoing interest we are paying, and the debt we are paying off, for US debt he inherited.

Obama is not responsible for the debt from the Social Security trust fund, which you are saying he is, and is included in the $16 trillion. That's absurd.

Fact - Obama's policies have added just under $1 trillion to our debt.

You said, "Obama has raised the debt by trillions". Prove it.

The debt went up by $5 trillion since he's been in office. That's a fact. Only $1 trillion and "change" each year (as a deficit), but it adds up.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

The debt went up by $5 trillion since he's been in office. That's a fact.

Yes, but Obama policies did not cause that increase.

That increase would have happened even if McCain were president - don't you understand that? A significant portion of the debt - the majority - is ongoing no matter who is president.

That increase includes ongoing payments to borrowing in the Social Security trust fund over the past many decades (which rises), interest payments on our borrowing over decades (which rise) and every piece of debt that was present the day before the current president took office, accumulated from Bush I and II, Clinton, Reagan, etc.

You cannot continue to blame this president for something he did not cause. Fact: Obama has cut the deficit, and Obama's policies have added just under $1 trillion to our debt.

If this president were a Republican, his fiscal policy would be cheered for it's conservatism. Be fair, be objective, and vote accordingly.

[dellinger63]

I accept their apologies. Everyone makes mistakes. Those who learn from their mistakes should be applauded.

Unfortunately Obama lives in a fantasy world and in that world there are no mistakes. A government supplemented factory making nothing as in the case of A123 is a success. Solyndra was open for a year. GM got their money and we got stock worth pennies on the dollar. SS is so solvent Obama was able to cut the SS tax by a third. Bankrupt Green energy companies are superior. Profitable tax paying private energy companies are evil. Egypt as a theocracy is still a democracy. Ft. Hood was a violence in the workplace crime and not a terrorist attack even though the shooter was yelling Allah is Great in Arabic while killing his victims.

Enough's f'n enough!

Less than two weeks. And btw in Wisconsin Romney is polling ahead of what Gov. Walker was in his recall election and we all know how that turned out.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I accept their apologies. Everyone makes mistakes. Those who learn from their mistakes should be applauded.

Unfortunately Obama lives in a fantasy world and in that world there are no mistakes. A government supplemented factory making nothing as in the case of A123 is a success. Solyndra was open for a year. GM got their money and we got stock worth pennies on the dollar. SS is so solvent Obama was able to cut the SS tax by a third. Bankrupt Green energy companies are superior. Profitable tax paying private energy companies are evil. Egypt as a theocracy is still a democracy. Ft. Hood was a violence in the workplace crime and not a terrorist attack even though the shooter was yelling Allah is Great in Arabic while killing his victims.

Enough's f'n enough!

Less than two weeks. And btw Romney is polling ahead of what Gov. Walker was in his recall election and we all know how that turned out.

[Clip-Clop]

And gas is cheap and food is cheap and people are making more money now and taxes are lower... ...

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

And gas is cheap and food is cheap and people are making more money now and taxes are lower... ...

Your taxes are lower. Both personal and business.

Reality - it seems to have quite the liberal bias, the Democrats are right about that one!