not to beat a dead horse but, ...

[declansharbor]

just got done watching that crime otherwise known as the Belmont Stakes 2004. The jockeys on RHTen and EDDIngton (eddington esp.) shouldve been stripped of their liscense to ride in NY..Smarty's preakness ranks in the top three races i have ever witnessed, as his dominance was well displayed..Stewie shouldve known that the "top tier" jockeys werent gonna let a drunken 5k claimer jock win the TC, a feat that neither of them have achieved..Smarty was a once in a lifetime horse and its a damn shame that it had to end like that..Absolutely pitiful..Who should take the brunt of the blame here??

[1st_Saturday_in_May]

Ive blamed Bailey since the moment the race ended.

A brief look at Eddington's PPs tells a lot to me. Bailey, Eddington's rider in 6 of 8 career starts including the Preakness, Belmont, Wood, and Gotham was not aboard again in his career after this debacle. Perhaps he had other engagements and that pissed Hennig off, but I dont think thats the case. I dont know for sure, perhaps someone more knowledable can tell me I'm wrong, but it seems VERY strange to me that Bailey wouldnt be back aboard.

I'll always view this as like you said...a crime.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

just got done watching that crime otherwise known as the Belmont Stakes 2004. The jockeys on RHTen and EDDIngton (eddington esp.) shouldve been stripped of their liscense to ride in NY..Smarty's preakness ranks in the top three races i have ever witnessed, as his dominance was well displayed..Stewie shouldve known that the "top tier" jockeys werent gonna let a drunken 5k claimer jock win the TC, a feat that neither of them have achieved..Smarty was a once in a lifetime horse and its a damn shame that it had to end like that..Absolutely pitiful..Who should take the brunt of the blame here??

Smarty should. He couldn't even beat Birdstone.

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Smarty should. He couldn't even beat Birdstone.

U just summed up ur knowledge in a brisk 7 words..WOW, how stupid could u be Beltway sniper?? Secrateriat lost a few times, does that make the horses that beat him better?? U know nothing nimwit, u should turn ur brain in for scientific research..I bet u look like the geico cavemen...U made me sick with ur numbskull statements.. U r the weakest link, good bye

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

U just summed up ur knowledge in a brisk 7 words..WOW, how stupid could u be Beltway sniper?? Secrateriat lost a few times, does that make the horses that beat him better?? U know nothing nimwit, u should turn ur brain in for scientific research..I bet u look like the geico cavemen...U made me sick with ur numbskull statements.. U r the weakest link, good bye

And you just summed up your knowledge in a few lines of gibberish. Well done. Smarty was a great miler that was so talented he could stretch his ability out to ten furlongs. He really had no business winning the Belmont Stakes but showed great heart in his loss. Stop trying to blame everyone else for that loss. He just wasn't meant to go a mile and a half.

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

And you just summed up your knowledge in a few lines of gibberish. Well done. Smarty was a great miler that was so talented he could stretch his ability out to ten furlongs. He really had no business winning the Belmont Stakes but showed great heart in his loss. Stop trying to blame everyone else for that loss. He just wasn't meant to go a mile and a half.

YOKAY!! Get ur peepers checked pal.. A great miler???lay the pipe down as well

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

YOKAY!! Get ur peepers checked pal.. A great miler???lay the pipe down as well

Is tomorrow a school holiday? Otherwise you should probably get to bed. Your handle betrays your ignorance (as if your posts don't do that well enough on their own).

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Is tomorrow a school holiday? Otherwise you should probably get to bed. Your handle betrays your ignorance (as if your posts don't do that well enough on their own).

I'll just wait until the ones with real insight log on tomorrow..U aint worth the short hairs on my nuts..Its kinda funny though, knowing that I'm 23 and my knowledge superceeds yours..Thanks for the confidence boost, now give the guy back his laptop, roll up the windows to ur home, an 84 pacer..Its gonna be a cold one.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

I'll just wait until the ones with real insight log on tomorrow..U aint worth the short hairs on my nuts..Its kinda funny though, knowing that I'm 23 and my knowledge superceeds yours..Thanks for the confidence boost, now give the guy back his laptop, roll up the windows to ur home, an 84 pacer..Its gonna be a cold one.

OK, you do that, I'm sure those with "real insight" will be happily chiming in tomorrow to say that Smarty was a "once in a lifetime horse".

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I don't know man. His belmont was an amzing performance, and it still kind of surprises me that people don't see it. Look at the two horses he dueled into defeat. Each multiple grade 1 winners, and where did they finish? He had every right to chuck it in like they did, and he fought tooth and nail. Why do you say he wasn't meant to go a mile and a half, because he ran second? If Bailey and Solis don't go kamikaze, he probably sets a much slower pace, and wins for fun. Look at it, Rock Hard ten ran awful in that race, was he meant to get a mile and a half? I guess it's good for horses that they don't know how far they are "meant" to go.

Snipers just pissed off at the world..Either that or he was dumb enough to lay money on SJ BElmont day.. So Solis was that criminal on RHT..I try to tell my friends about this all the time, and they just think i'm crying "conspiracy theory". Bailey and Solis didn't want Stewie to win the TC, and that became obvious down the backstretch of a mile and a half race..They knew their horses stood no chance to cross the wire first..Isnt that criminal, to ride a race, giving ur horse zero shot of winning??

[blackthroatedwind]

Now, cynic that I am, when a thread like this pops up I get the distinct feeling that someone is just trying to start trouble, as there really is no bigger internet hot-spot that a Smarmy Jones debate. It also seems these kind of threads are invariably started by someone with a handful of posts.

Jeez.....the race was 2 1/2 years ago....there are 47,863 threads on various other boards about it....do we really need another one.

Next!

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I don't know man. His belmont was an amzing performance, and it still kind of surprises me that people don't see it. Look at the two horses he dueled into defeat. Each multiple grade 1 winners, and where did they finish? He had every right to chuck it in like they did, and he fought tooth and nail. Why do you say he wasn't meant to go a mile and a half, because he ran second? If Bailey and Solis don't go kamikaze, he probably sets a much slower pace, and wins for fun. Look at it, Rock Hard ten ran awful in that race, was he meant to get a mile and a half? I guess it's good for horses that they don't know how far they are "meant" to go.

Neither of those horses were G1 winners at that point nor was Eddington a mulitple G1 winner at any point. Don't make the mistake of comparing Derby horses with their abilities a year later. Rock Hard Ten had no business going 12 furlongs as well. He was best at 9 but talented enough to win at 10.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Now, cynic that I am, when a thread like this pops up I get the distinct feeling that someone is just trying to start trouble, as there really is no bigger internet hot-spot that a Smarmy Jones debate. It also seems these kind of threads are invariably started by someone with a handful of posts.

Jeez.....the race was 2 1/2 years ago....there are 47,863 threads on various other boards about it....do we really need another one.

Next!

You are probably right. Declansharbor has St Johns education written all over him.

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Now, cynic that I am, when a thread like this pops up I get the distinct feeling that someone is just trying to start trouble, as there really is no bigger internet hot-spot that a Smarmy Jones debate. It also seems these kind of threads are invariably started by someone with a handful of posts.

Jeez.....the race was 2 1/2 years ago....there are 47,863 threads on various other boards about it....do we really need another one.

Next!

than go reply to them buddy..Don't waste ur time with a novice like myself..Just because u own a horse or two, doesnt make u privy to the price of peanuts....BTW, i wasnt starting trouble, i wanted to know if people thought the same way i do, so i can show my friends i'm not making this up..
so go next urself ya needle

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

You are probably right. Declansharbor has St Johns education written all over him.

dREXEL BUDDY, AND U? CCNY?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Why exactly did RHT have no business going 12 furlongs?

Mainly based on the fact that his figures at 9 furlongs were always better than at 10. He just never struck me as a 12 furlong horse in the least. I know Saint Liam ran out west against him and lost but ignoring that aspect (which I think it is fair since he didn't run well) I have a tough time getting too excited when the only 10 furlong race you win is over Congrats and Borrego.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

dREXEL BUDDY, AND U? CCNY?

University of Rochester. Why am I not shocked you went to school in Philly?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Yeah I see what you are saying. I just don't think Smarty had any problems with the distance, it was the pace that hurt him. But honestly, who cares anymore?

Yeah, it is irrelevant now. The biggest reason I have so much respect for Smarty is for how well he did in the Belmont considering my thoughts of him being best as a miler.

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

University of Rochester. Why am I not shocked you went to school in Philly?

AND ny IS ANY BETTER?? cease to amaze me snipe..Philly has alot of good in it, someting know it alls like urself that have never been to philly, overlook..pathetic

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

AND ny IS ANY BETTER?? cease to amaze me snipe..Philly has alot of good in it, someting know it alls like urself that have never been to philly, overlook..pathetic

I've been to Philly about a dozen times, decent city although the part where Drexel is is a little sketchy. I was commenting on the fact that you were a huge Smarty goo-goo so it didn't surprise me you were from Philly.