For those that love conspiracies and weight shifts

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Perhaps you might like Gold For Sale's chances of upsetting Discreet Cat.

After the mega hyped Simpatico Bribon and the undefeated (Group 1 winner on turf and Group 3 winner on dirt) Gold For Sale were both drubbed by Discreet Cat in last year's UAE Derby....the deranged trainer Ian Jory (of Best Pal fame) insisted the poor showing by his two stars was the result of foul play.


Jory claims two were doped

By ALAN SHUBACK
Trainer Ian Jory said he suspects foul play as the reason for the dull efforts of Simpatico Bribon and Gold for Sale in last month's UAE Derby at Nad Al Sheba, the British daily the Racing Post reported Monday.
Simpatico Bribon, the 3-2 UAE Derby favorite with British bookies finished sixth, 12 1/4 lengths behind the victorious Discreet Cat, and Gold for Sale, the 9-2 third choice, was 10th, another 10 1/4 lengths back. Jory had the horses tested privately at his stable and found that they showed the presence of carbamazepine, a drug closely related to Valium.

Jory, based in Saudi Arabia, said he thinks that the drug was administered on the morning of the race. He told the Racing Post that its effect would be unnoticeable to the human eye, but that a horse running under its influence would be a very tired animal.

Neither horse had a drug sample taken on the day of the race. The Emirates Racing Authority is conducting an investigation, although Fin Powrie, its director, pointed out that the samples taken by Jory are strictly unofficial.

For fans of BBB's crazed post about weight today---Gold For Sale gave Discreet Cat a lot of weight in the UAE Derby...and now will be getting a lot of weight from him tomorrow morning.

Not that it will matter or anything....

[mark2061mn]

to me, the 117 lbs of dead weight often referred to as a jockey, plus another few pounds of sand, or metal, or whatever, doesnt really seem to make a difference when compared to a horse with just the 117 lbs of dead weight known as a jockey.

who knows though, i've heard put forth the proposition that a horse going all out is running slow, and a horse going easy is running as fast as possible. or that its better to be pinned down on the rail for the entire length of the race than to go 3 wide on the turn.

it takes all kinds of nutty theories!

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Why don't you just identify yourself as the closeted Ian Jory fan you undoubtably are.

[mark2061mn]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Why don't you just identify yourself as the closeted Ian Jory fan you undoubtably are.

sure thing, gato del sal (giacamo)

Some not clear situations happen that year in the races. Remember the Brass Hat appeal.

Brass Hat appeals dismissed

10:29 - 28 June 2006
The appeals of trainer William Bradley and owner Fred Bradley against the disqualification of Brass Hat from second place in the Dubai World Cup have been dismissed by the Emirates Racing Authority. Brass Hat finished second to Electrocutionist in the US$6,000,000 Group 1 Dubai World Cup on March 25 but a post race sample found traces of the drug methyl prednisolone acetate in the horse’s system. At a subsequent enquiry on May 2 and 3, ERA stewards disqualified the horse from second place and the prize-money of US1,200,000 and fined William Bradley AED20,000 (approx US$5,700). The revised placings for the Dubai World Cup are; 1st Electrocutionist 2nd Wilko 3rd Magna Graduate 4th Kane Hekili 5th Chiquitin 6th Maraahel

[Scurlogue Champ]

I'm betting on Gold For Sale

[The Bid]

Only a Moron would go over there and test positive for the biggest race of his horses life. He knew the withdrawl time, you dont cut things close when you are talking about 6 million dollars. IMO he should have been fined 100 thousand for the positive, and 100 thousand for riding Willie Martinez. Glad it was all upheld

[stonegossard]

Between the Ian Jory thing and the bullsh#t that went down with Brass Hat, any U.S. trainer is nuts to ship there. Let Godolphin have their fun over there in their make believe races. I find it amusing when they try and run one of their horses in The Kentucky Derby and flop miserably.

The whole Brass Hat story is ridiculous. The connections got screwed royally.

[Honu]

Actually dead weight is the saddle and any lead that might be in it , live weight is the jockey , there has always been a debate as to which impedes the horse more.

[mark2061mn]

Originally Posted by Honu

Actually dead weight is the saddle and any lead that might be in it , live weight is the jockey , there has always been a debate as to which impedes the horse more.

In my over 20 years of watching and/or betting races, it's become quite clear to me that jockies are nothing more than dead weight.

now, if you really want to handicap a horse with weight, i propose the following method of grading weight handicaps:

make each jockey submit themselves to some sort of high tech brain scan. the purpose of this will be to determine the actual weight of each jockey's brain.

then, when assigning weight handicaps, make it publicly known the actual weight of each jocks brain.

so, for instance, in a 6 horse handicap, the high weighted horse will have to spot the low weighted horse anywhere from 1-3 ounces.

i think this is a much more useful gauge than anything currently used!

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

In my over 20 years of watching and/or betting races, it's become quite clear to me that jockies are nothing more than dead weight.

now, if you really want to handicap a horse with weight, i propose the following method of grading weight handicaps:

make each jockey submit themselves to some sort of high tech brain scan. the purpose of this will be to determine the actual weight of each jockey's brain.

then, when assigning weight handicaps, make it publicly known the actual weight of each jocks brain.

so, for instance, in a 6 horse handicap, the high weighted horse will have to spot the low weighted horse anywhere from 1-3 ounces.

i think this is a much more useful gauge than anything currently used!

In my 20 plus years of watching gamblers and "watchers" of races it has become quite clear that Jeff Mullins hit the nail on the head!

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Honu

In my 20 plus years of watching gamblers and "watchers" of races it has become quite clear that Jeff Mullins hit the nail on the head!

yeah...like you know anything about jockey's

congrats on Skelleytown in the 6th today...always nice when one you work wins.

and tell GM thanks for having St. Wager ready in the 1st today too

[Honu]

Originally Posted by GPK

yeah...like you know anything about jockey's

congrats on Skelleytown in the 6th today...always nice when one you work wins.

and tell GM thanks for having St. Wager ready in the 1st today too

How much did St Wager pay ? was that a maiden race ?

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Honu

How much did St Wager pay ? was that a maiden race ?

Allowance...he paid $13

[mark2061mn]

Originally Posted by Honu

In my 20 plus years of watching gamblers and "watchers" of races it has become quite clear that Jeff Mullins hit the nail on the head!

i'm going to assume that you being an ex jockey might make you sensitive to my remarks about jockies, but there was no insult intended towards you. besides, i think that you almost have to be an idiot to make it as a jockey, based on alot of first hand observation.

that all being said, could you do no better than quoting jeff mullins, of all people, when you tried to denigrate us 'gamblers/watchers'?

i mean, after all, you're basically paying us a complement.