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[The Bid]

Really looking forward to another National Championship. O-H-I-O

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Really looking forward to another National Championship. O-H-I-O

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[ddthetide]

next year rose bowl or citrus bowl as long as it's not the NC game. oh wait, can't be the citrus bowl they'd have to play a SEC team!

[Danzig]

ohio st has a lot of players returning next year, they'll be ranked high again, and will finish high in the rankings, with a similar schedule they should go undefeated.

[dr. fager]

Originally Posted by Danzig

ohio st has a lot of players returning next year, they'll be ranked high again, and will finish high in the rankings, with a similar schedule they should go undefeated.

Not that anyone around here is ever interested in facts but they travel to USC in 08/host in 09. That's not a "similar" schedule. I like to rip OSU as much as anyone but they deserve some kudos for going home/home with Texas & USC OOC in 4 of 5 years.

August 30 TBA TBA
September 6 TBA TBA
September 13 at USC TBA
September 20 TBA TBA
September 27 Minnesota TBA
October 4 at Wisconsin TBA
October 11 Purdue TBA
October 18 at Michigan State TBA
October 25 Penn State TBA
November 8 at Northwestern TBA
November 15 at Illinois TBA
November 22 Michigan TBA

[KY_Sasquash]

I commend them for playing a tougher schedule next year-only helps their cause in the long run and this team will be a major player for next year's championship. They didn't play one tough team this year, granted a couple of teams were weaker than expected (michigan), but playing youngstown st and those types doesnt do anything for them..........love the SEC dominance in the BCS and bowls this year continuing its run as the best conference in football.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dr. fager

Not that anyone around here is ever interested in facts but they travel to USC in 08/host in 09. That's not a "similar" schedule. I like to rip OSU as much as anyone but they deserve some kudos for going home/home with Texas & USC OOC in 4 of 5 years.

August 30 TBA TBA
September 6 TBA TBA
September 13 at USC TBA
September 20 TBA TBA
September 27 Minnesota TBA
October 4 at Wisconsin TBA
October 11 Purdue TBA
October 18 at Michigan State TBA
October 25 Penn State TBA
November 8 at Northwestern TBA
November 15 at Illinois TBA
November 22 Michigan TBA

i typed that as an IF. i didn't go look at their schedule. it was pure speculation on my part about what they would accomplish next year, which is pretty far off.
i'm plenty interested in facts.

[horseofcourse]

In the end, LSU and OSU were evenly matched. OSU actually outplayed them in 3 of the 4 quarters...but the 2nd quarter was such a beat down by LSU that turned the tide. When two teams are evenly matched, the team that gets the breaks wins and LSU got all of them. A different result in any one of 3 plays may have changed the game. OSU up 10-3 and LSU fumbles punt at own 15 yard line and somehow recovers it. Game tied 10-10 and Robiskie drops quite an easy touchdown pass in the end zone which leads to field goal block. 24-10 LSU and OSU somehow misses a blocked punt put right into their lap starting the 2nd half.

The right team won the game...the team that played better...but I did not see the huge mismatch that all the talking heads saw after the game. I thought LSUs d-line played much better than OSUs d-line and was the big difference.

The SEC is a great conference...but there was not a huge talent difference at all last night. But the talking heads have to talk about something I guess.

[Danzig]

it was a really good game, and truly was pretty evenly matched.
far better game than that snoozer between usc and illinois. that had to be the worst bowl game this year.

funny that the rose bowl is the biggest impediment to a playoff system, and they had an atrocious bowl this year..

[ALostTexan]

Originally Posted by dr. fager

I like to rip OSU as much as anyone but they deserve some kudos for going home/home with Texas & USC OOC in 4 of 5 years.

And for what it is worth, when the deal was signed with Washington several years ago, they had a good program, so the game at Washington this year was supposed to be the real test. Turned out they sucked and it wasn't a test at all, and there you have it.

The Ohio State also has Miami in the next couple of years, which falls into the same situation. They were a powerhouse when the deal was signed, and now they are not what they used to be.

Everyone gives teams throughout the NCAA **** about their schedules, but when you have to set these up years in advance it is a total crap shoot on who can be a test for your program.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by ALostTexan

And for what it is worth, when the deal was signed with Washington several years ago, they had a good program, so the game at Washington this year was supposed to be the real test. Turned out they sucked and it wasn't a test at all, and there you have it.

The Ohio State also has Miami in the next couple of years, which falls into the same situation. They were a powerhouse when the deal was signed, and now they are not what they used to be.

Everyone gives teams throughout the NCAA **** about their schedules, but when you have to set these up years in advance it is a total crap shoot on who can be a test for your program.

That isn't the case in basketball, though- keep that in mind when tourney time comes around and the talking heads are ripping crappy OOC schedules.

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

In the end, LSU and OSU were evenly matched. OSU actually outplayed them in 3 of the 4 quarters...but the 2nd quarter was such a beat down by LSU that turned the tide. When two teams are evenly matched, the team that gets the breaks wins and LSU got all of them. A different result in any one of 3 plays may have changed the game. OSU up 10-3 and LSU fumbles punt at own 15 yard line and somehow recovers it. Game tied 10-10 and Robiskie drops quite an easy touchdown pass in the end zone which leads to field goal block. 24-10 LSU and OSU somehow misses a blocked punt put right into their lap starting the 2nd half.

The right team won the game...the team that played better...but I did not see the huge mismatch that all the talking heads saw after the game. I thought LSUs d-line played much better than OSUs d-line and was the big difference.

The SEC is a great conference...but there was not a huge talent difference at all last night. But the talking heads have to talk about something I guess.

osu outplayed lsu for 1 qter and a few minutes in the second after that osu was hanging on for dear life to keep from getting blown out again.

mismatches in talent are in depth and skilled players. 8 tigers carried the football, 3 for osu. 8 tigers caught passes, 4 for osu. lsu even played 2 qbs.
osu was better on offense when they ran between the tackles right at the lsu front. they couldn't move outside the tackles. therefore, osu couldn't afford to fall behind.
lsu defensive game plan had NO respect for the osu wideouts. they locked them up 1-on-1 from the first play of the game. lsu didn't play much zone. lsu dared osu to pass.

osu defensive game play came out playing zone right away. they KNEW they couldn't run 1-on-1 with the lsu wrs. it just took time for lsu to find the holes in the zones. tiger wrs running loose in the secondary is a scary thought. lsu ran the ball better that osu figured too.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by philcski

That isn't the case in basketball, though- keep that in mind when tourney time comes around and the talking heads are ripping crappy OOC schedules.

Syracuse finally learned that this year after years of scheduling cupcakes in the non-conference portion of their schedule and then whining when they got left out of the tourney because of it. This year Syracuse could probably go 7-9 in conference and still get in cause of their non-conference schedule. Other years 10-6 isn't enough.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by ddthetide

osu outplayed lsu for 1 qter and a few minutes in the second after that osu was hanging on for dear life to keep from getting blown out again.

mismatches in talent are in depth and skilled players. 8 tigers carried the football, 3 for osu. 8 tigers caught passes, 4 for osu. lsu even played 2 qbs.
osu was better on offense when they ran between the tackles right at the lsu front. they couldn't move outside the tackles. therefore, osu couldn't afford to fall behind.
lsu defensive game plan had NO respect for the osu wideouts. they locked them up 1-on-1 from the first play of the game. lsu didn't play much zone. lsu dared osu to pass.

osu defensive game play came out playing zone right away. they KNEW they couldn't run 1-on-1 with the lsu wrs. it just took time for lsu to find the holes in the zones. tiger wrs running loose in the secondary is a scary thought. lsu ran the ball better that osu figured too.

Perhaps...but I stand by my statement that the blowout occurred because of what happened on a few key plays. OSU didn't make them and thus what happened happened. LSU did not move the ball much in the 2nd half at all. I don't think they outplayed them other than their dominating 2nd quarter where offensively and defensively they destroyed OSU. And again, I think what led to that quarter was the dropped robiskie touchdown and the blocked field goal. don't get me wrong...LSU is a better team. But I really dont' think overwhelmingly.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ddthetide

osu outplayed lsu for 1 qter and a few minutes in the second after that osu was hanging on for dear life to keep from getting blown out again.

mismatches in talent are in depth and skilled players. 8 tigers carried the football, 3 for osu. 8 tigers caught passes, 4 for osu. lsu even played 2 qbs.
osu was better on offense when they ran between the tackles right at the lsu front. they couldn't move outside the tackles. therefore, osu couldn't afford to fall behind.
lsu defensive game plan had NO respect for the osu wideouts. they locked them up 1-on-1 from the first play of the game. lsu didn't play much zone. lsu dared osu to pass.

osu defensive game play came out playing zone right away. they KNEW they couldn't run 1-on-1 with the lsu wrs. it just took time for lsu to find the holes in the zones. tiger wrs running loose in the secondary is a scary thought. lsu ran the ball better that osu figured too.

yeah, i also was thinking about horses post...lsu pretty much coasted thru the fourth quarter. that last osu touchdown was the result of the lsu defense wanting very much to start the celebration, rather than any re-sparking of the osu offense.

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Perhaps...but I stand by my statement that the blowout occurred because of what happened on a few key plays. OSU didn't make them and thus what happened happened. LSU did not move the ball much in the 2nd half at all. I don't think they outplayed them other than their dominating 2nd quarter where offensively and defensively they destroyed OSU. And again, I think what led to that quarter was the dropped robiskie touchdown and the blocked field goal. don't get me wrong...LSU is a better team. But I really dont' think overwhelmingly.

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Whatever.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Danzig

yeah, i also was thinking about horses post...lsu pretty much coasted thru the fourth quarter. that last osu touchdown was the result of the lsu defense wanting very much to start the celebration, rather than any re-sparking of the osu offense.

LSU was better and they won. My only point to my posts was pretty much if Robiskie doesn't drop the TD in the 2nd quarter and OSU goes up 17-10 the entire remainder of the game is played differently to some extent. My guess is LSU still wins...but it probably is a one score type game through the end rather than what happened. I am a big 10 homer...I went to Penn State...grew up in Ohio so I am partial to mainly those schools, and I simply think the "experts" are taking the "talent" differential between the leagues a bit too far. The SEC is better and the big 10 is down without question and may not even be a top 5 conference right now. But I look at my alma mater and see that PSU is 5-2 against the SEC in bowl games since 1990. How could that happen?? We never beat OHio State and they are 0-9 against the SEC in bowl games. IT really doesn't make too much sense. Michigan never beats OSU any more and they beat the great and speedy Gators this year...how does that happen??

I think it's more coincidence than anything. OSU has been far better than PSU in the big 10 the last 13 years with the exception of a couple years yet PSU has tremendous success against the SEC while OSU never beats the SEC. It's pretty much easy and popular to bash the big 10 so I tend to just take the opposite side and run with it no matter how stupid I look!!!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

LSU was better and they won. My only point to my posts was pretty much if Robiskie doesn't drop the TD in the 2nd quarter and OSU goes up 17-10 the entire remainder of the game is played differently to some extent. My guess is LSU still wins...but it probably is a one score type game through the end rather than what happened. I am a big 10 homer...I went to Penn State...grew up in Ohio so I am partial to mainly those schools, and I simply think the "experts" are taking the "talent" differential between the leagues a bit too far. The SEC is better and the big 10 is down without question and may not even be a top 5 conference right now. But I look at my alma mater and see that PSU is 5-2 against the SEC in bowl games since 1990. How could that happen?? We never beat OHio State and they are 0-9 against the SEC in bowl games. IT really doesn't make too much sense. Michigan never beats OSU any more and they beat the great and speedy Gators this year...how does that happen??

I think it's more coincidence than anything. OSU has been far better than PSU in the big 10 the last 13 years with the exception of a couple years yet PSU has tremendous success against the SEC while OSU never beats the SEC. It's pretty much easy and popular to bash the big 10 so I tend to just take the opposite side and run with it no matter how stupid I look!!!

i don't think you look stupid, i just disagreed with the part of your post about dominant play per quarter.
and absolutely knocking that ball out for the potential TD was an awesome play.

but you do raise a good point. why is PSU (my first love, i grew up in md) able to win, but not OSU(who i absolutely hate--caused by my being a psu fan no doubt!) who has a now 0 for 9 record vs the sec in bowl comp?

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i don't think you look stupid, i just disagreed with the part of your post about dominant play per quarter.
and absolutely knocking that ball out for the potential TD was an awesome play.

but you do raise a good point. why is PSU (my first love, i grew up in md) able to win, but not OSU(who i absolutely hate--caused by my being a psu fan no doubt!) who has a now 0 for 9 record vs the sec in bowl comp?

Joe Paterno! bowl games are business trips and he treats them as such and his kids understand that.
in the 10 years of the Alabama-Psu series, Bryant and Paterno got to be good friend and traded ideas regularly.
fulmer and ut are famous for not showing for bowl games. look at uga last year, those kids didn't care. they were playing wvu in atlanta. thats no trip to those kids and they took wvu lightly and got embarrassed for it.
it happened to coach stalling his first year at Alabama. Bama was a replacement team in the fiesta bowl in the fight martin luther kings b-day.
they called the kids back from vacation and the coaches were out recruiting. Bama got to the desert and got blown out by howard schnellenberger's louisville team, which was a pretty good team. bama had no business in that game.

[King Glorious]

I think Penn St is able to win because they are often a second level Big 10 team and are playing second level SEC teams and even though it seems that this year the SEC has been the far better conference, usually the two are pretty evenly matched once you get past the top teams. Eight times out of 10 though, the top two from the SEC will beat the top two from the Big 10. Penn St and some other B-10 schools can compete with some SEC schools. But in any given year, if Penn St ends up as the best B-10 school, they'd likely suffer the same fate as OSU does when they play the best SEC school.