Barbaro (the Champ)

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by LARHAGE

I agree re: Magnum Psyche, saw him win Nationals, I have a Padrons Psyche son and am breeding to a black Magnum Psyche son this spring, an absolutely breathtaking horse is Magnum Psyche, I also saw him as a yearling and he was as beautiful than an he is now! I agree also about judging show horses and race horses, it's actually harder in that show horses are being bred to be conformationally perfect, racehorses are bred for speed, anyone who has done rescue or has ex-racers can attest to how bad their conformation sometimes is, the judging there is completely different. I acually thought Seattle Slew was pretty unattractive, and Pleasnat Colony was downright hideous!

I agree 100%, some of the horses we rescued were unbelievable...hard to understand how they could even walk....of course many couldn't. Reminds me of my gelding Calledon, the farrier was here yesterday for a trim...as always I asked when he was through, "how does he look?" and as always he said, "he looks great, crooked as ever but that's just him!" Cal entered the starting gate 79 times with those legs...in racing, it ain't the looks, it's who gets to the finish line first!

Originally Posted by Gander

Who exactly is left on the East Coast besides Bernardini and possibly Invasor for Lava Man to change his plans and run a prep against? You guys act like the East coast contains 4-5 older horses that Lava Man should have to worry about.

Ugghh, this bs argument again. Look, hes a gelding guys. Pissing matches are for guys with a whole lotta cash and nothing better to do. He ha sno stud value, so repeat after me, easiest spots possible for the largest amount of money.
And Tim get real, good Reward is about 222nd best dirt horse on the East Coast, and he was an ok second to lava athis home track. lava would never beat many of the east Coast horses on a neutral track. We heard this same crap last year before the JCGC where mysteriously he lost a close photo with the ambulance.
His campaign this year has proved absolutely nothing new at all. We already knew that on speed biased claifornia racetracks that he could beat very bad horses. He actually has to beat better than : WHos Crying Now, Cheroot, Magnum, good Reward, Kings Drama, and good ole Ace Blue(by a nose no less, wow, he beats ace blue by a nose, thats really the earmark of a champion) to be Hoy or even mentioned in that venue.

[sumitas]

Calledon is not on predigreequery.com

[Gander]

Hes got 2 horses he has to beat: Bernardini and Invasor. Thats it.
The rest of these east coast horses have more excuses than accomplishments. Who exactly did Invasor beat in the Suburban? Wild Desert, Andromedas Hero? Give me a break. Those arent top horses either.

Alright enough of this stuff. Looking at tomorrow's card, lets start with race 6 shall we?

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by LARHAGE

I agree re: Magnum Psyche, saw him win Nationals, I have a Padrons Psyche son and am breeding to a black Magnum Psyche son this spring, an absolutely breathtaking horse is Magnum Psyche, I also saw him as a yearling and he was as beautiful than an he is now! I agree also about judging show horses and race horses, it's actually harder in that show horses are being bred to be conformationally perfect, racehorses are bred for speed, anyone who has done rescue or has ex-racers can attest to how bad their conformation sometimes is, the judging there is completely different. I acually thought Seattle Slew was pretty unattractive, and Pleasnat Colony was downright hideous!

That is awesome. If I was into Arabs, he is definitely who I would go for! I may get into them one day because my fiance loves them! Pleasant Colony WAS horrible! No offense to him because he was a great racehorse. He had one of the longest backs and was one of the most hound-gutted horses that I have ever seen! His shoulder angle and neck were better than a lot of TB's though. Most TBs have those awful completely straight shoulders...you know what I'm talking about. It's nice to see one that is a little more rounded as in Grindstone and Pleasant Colony. He also had a nice colume of bone although his cannons were too long. Overall, he was built to run as he displayed on the track. His back is long and his shoulder was rounded both indicative of a large stride. His neck was was long and thin so that he was not top heavy. He was a lighter horse than some of the others like Secretariat and Seattle Slew and he had a good colume of bone. Therefore, he could stand up to the rigors of racing. I really didn't like Seattle Slew hip and shoulder, but again, he was also built to race as it showed on the track. It isn't so much Barbaro's and Bernardini's conformation that makes them as fast and appealing as they are. It is their presence, the look in their eye, and their heart. They just have that whole look to them...it is a look that not many horses have. It screams, "I am a great champion." Which, I think both of them are.

Originally Posted by Gander

Who exactly is left on the East Coast besides Bernardini and possibly Invasor for Lava Man to change his plans and run a prep against? You guys act like the East coast contains 4-5 older horses that Lava Man should have to worry about.

The connections are gambling that the problems he's had shipping east are corrected. To me it would be wise to make sure the problems have been corrected a race before the Classic instead of playing the safe card and running him in the Hirsch.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by LARHAGE

Yes, he certainly is, thats the thing with Arabians, they can be so unbelievably beautiful, they are often called living art.

IMO, there is no breed in the world as beautiful as a good Arabian.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by dr.fager

we know as well as literary awards, riding titles, expert on police brutality....

get a sense of humor

Go check out the websites that I posted of myself winning the riding/educational/judging titles. I will posts pictures of all of literary/journalism awards as well, but I am not on websites for those. When did I ever say that I was an expert on police brutality? I have studied it, but I am certainly not an expert on it.

LOL.

AGAIN, WHEN MY CREDIBILITY IS ATTACKED, I BRING UP PAST ACCOMPLISHMENTS TO PROVE THAT I AM INDEED CREDIBLE. If any of you think that it is wrong, then kiss my a s s because I don't think it is, especially when someone is saying that I don't know my stuff when I do. All of this arose from posters saying just that. I am trying to get you all to think. In other words, I posted my resume to give myself some credibility so that some of these posters would take a step back, look at their current stance, and then decide if it was beneficial or intelligent to change their mind.

I have an analogy. Someone who you think is your friend gives you a clear, colorless liquid. You think that it is water. As you put it up to your mouth, another friend yells, "Stop! Don't drink that! It's poison!" Now, are you going to still drink the poison because you want to be consistent, or do you change your mind because you were given new, beneficial information.

There is nothing wrong with changing (or not changing) your mind when you consider others perspectives on situations and the facts, especially if they have the credibility (not talking about this thread because it is opinion at this point; talking about life because I'm in the mood to do so) to back it up. One thing I will do is admit when I am wrong and change my opinion if need be. We need to learn from each other, not attack each other. That is one of the biggest problems in America right now IMO.

One of the best phrases, "All successful people in life have big egos....doctors, lawyers, and the like. It takes a big ego to get themselves there." This saying holds to be true. Since I can't become a jockey because I was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis, I am going to be a rheumatologist (a arthritis/allergy doctor). Do you get my drift? I am very proud of my accomplishments and like telling the whole world about them, but then again, most people do. If that offends you then I am sorry, but this is just who I am. You have to take the good and the bad with me because I am not going to change who I am or hide behind a mask just so a horse racing message board (that consists of people I don't even know) won't gang up on me. I'm real, and don't hide behind a superficial wall like a lot of people do. Nor do I back down from a challenge (especially an academic one) unless the other person clearly knows more about a topic than I do.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by LARHAGE

I won a judging seminar in a class of over 30 participants in a contest where we had to place 5 horses in order and give reasons, than the judge had to evaluate our responses, I was the youngest competing with some old world Arabian breeders, I was actually floored when I won, as I have a very disticnt like/dislike criteria, SO THERE!!!!!

I knew that you had some judging experience from somewhere. You know too much about it to just be an exhibitor! That is why I am sure that your horses do better in the show ring than most other also also!

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Go check out the websites that I posted of myself winning the riding/educational/judging titles. I will posts pictures of all of literary/journalism awards as well, but I am not on websites for those. When did I ever say that I was an expert on police brutality? I have studied it, but I am certainly not an expert on it.

LOL.

AGAIN, WHEN MY CREDIBILITY IS ATTACKED, I BRING UP PAST ACCOMPLISHMENTS TO PROVE THAT I AM INDEED CREDIBLE. If any of you think that it is wrong, then kiss my a s s because I don't think it is, especially when someone is saying that I don't know my stuff when I do. All of this arose from posters saying just that. I am trying to get you all to think. In other words, I posted my resume to give myself some credibility so that some of these posters would take a step back, look at their current stance, and then decide if it was beneficial or intelligent to change their mind.

I have an analogy. Someone who you think is your friend gives you a clear, colorless liquid. You think that it is water. As you put it up to your mouth, another friend yells, "Stop! Don't drink that! It's poison!" Now, are you going to still drink the poison because you want to be consistent, or do you change your mind because you were given new, beneficial information.

There is nothing wrong with changing (or not changing) your mind when you consider others perspectives on situations and the facts, especially if they have the credibility (not talking about this thread because it is opinion at this point; talking about life because I'm in the mood to do so) to back it up. One thing I will do is admit when I am wrong and change my opinion if need be. We need to learn from each other, not attack each other. That is one of the biggest problems in America right now IMO.

One of the best phrases, "All successful people in life have big egos....doctors, lawyers, and the like. It takes a big ego to get themselves there." This saying holds to be true. Since I can't become a jockey because I was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis, I am going to be a rheumatologist (a arthritis/allergy doctor). Do you get my drift? I am very proud of my accomplishments and like telling the whole world about them, but then again, most people do. If that offends you then I am sorry, but this is just who I am. You have to take the good and the bad with me because I am not going to change who I am or hide behind a mask just so a horse racing message board (that consists of people I don't even know) won't gang up on me. I'm real, and don't hide behind a superficial wall like a lot of people do. Nor do I back down from a challenge (especially an academic one) unless the other person clearly knows more about a topic than I do.

good luck being a rheumatologist...all those blue ribbons, however, does not prove you know jack about thoroughbreds and thoroughbred racing, you guys want to talk dressage, go to a 4-H club, you want to know about big time money bloodhorses, put your ego aside and listen up

[dr. fager]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Go check out the websites that I posted of myself winning the riding/educational/judging titles. I will posts pictures of all of literary/journalism awards as well, but I am not on websites for those. When did I ever say that I was an expert on police brutality? I have studied it, but I am certainly not an expert on it.

LOL.

AGAIN, WHEN MY CREDIBILITY IS ATTACKED, I BRING UP PAST ACCOMPLISHMENTS TO PROVE THAT I AM INDEED CREDIBLE. If any of you think that it is wrong, then kiss my a s s because I don't think it is, especially when someone is saying that I don't know my stuff when I do. All of this arose from posters saying just that. I am trying to get you all to think. In other words, I posted my resume to give myself some credibility so that some of these posters would take a step back, look at their current stance, and then decide if it was beneficial or intelligent to change their mind.

I have an analogy. Someone who you think is your friend gives you a clear, colorless liquid. You think that it is water. As you put it up to your mouth, another friend yells, "Stop! Don't drink that! It's poison!" Now, are you going to still drink the poison because you want to be consistent, or do you change your mind because you were given new, beneficial information.

There is nothing wrong with changing (or not changing) your mind when you consider others perspectives on situations and the facts, especially if they have the credibility (not talking about this thread because it is opinion at this point; talking about life because I'm in the mood to do so) to back it up. One thing I will do is admit when I am wrong and change my opinion if need be. We need to learn from each other, not attack each other. That is one of the biggest problems in America right now IMO.

One of the best phrases, "All successful people in life have big egos....doctors, lawyers, and the like. It takes a big ego to get themselves there." This saying holds to be true. Since I can't become a jockey because I was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis, I am going to be a rheumatologist (a arthritis/allergy doctor). Do you get my drift? I am very proud of my accomplishments and like telling the whole world about them, but then again, most people do. If that offends you then I am sorry, but this is just who I am. You have to take the good and the bad with me because I am not going to change who I am or hide behind a mask just so a horse racing message board (that consists of people I don't even know) won't gang up on me. I'm real, and don't hide behind a superficial wall like a lot of people do. Nor do I back down from a challenge (especially an academic one) unless the other person clearly knows more about a topic than I do.

again get a sense of humor....I never attacked your credibility if you can show me where anyone but you said "I'm the conformation analysis expert on this board" then I'll concede.

But frankly it doesn't matter it was a joke...that statement was as much of a dig on cajun as you...difference is she didn't spend half her day formulating a response....why....because she has a sense of humor.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by BellamyRd.

good luck being a rheumatologist...all those blue ribbons, however, does not prove you know jack about thoroughbreds and thoroughbred racing, you guys want to talk dressage, go to a 4-H club, you want to know about big time money bloodhorses, put your ego aside and listen up

Listen to what? It has all been a bunch of jibberish on here lately. Pedigree Ann, Bold Brooklynite, Oracle, Cunningham, Moodwalker, and Rupert Pupkin are the only ones that post on here regularly that are professionals in the industry. They haven't been posting very much lately. I know quite a bit about Thoroughbreds thank you very much. Do you think that Thoroughbred race horses are any different from the other horses in the world other than in the way that they are trained? I think not! Also, last time I checked dressage is an international sport and has there own million dollar horses who show in the Olympics. Horses are horses. Show horses have the same illnesses, lamenesses, breeding practices, and heart that race horses do. They are even handled from birth to a yearling the same exact way. The only difference is in the training. Don't talk degradingly about the 4-H club anyway. Most of the best veterinarians in the U.S. started in the 4-H. I'm convinced that my friend, who was in the 4-H, is going to become one of the best horse racing veterinarians in the country. She's a smart cookie.

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Listen to what? It has all been a bunch of jibberish on here lately. Pedigree Ann, Bold Brooklynite, Oracle, Cunningham, Moodwalker, and Rupert Pupkin are the only ones that post on here regularly that are professionals in the industry. They haven't been posting very much lately. I know quite a bit about Thoroughbreds thank you very much. Do you think that Thoroughbred race horses are any different from the other horses in the world other than in the way that they are trained? I think not! This nonsense needs to stop.

They are not the ONLY ones working in the industry who post here
even so, some of us have professional level knowledge
or have been around the game our entire lives
I have a degree in equine studies, and have studied extensive
conformation & pedigree and sales trends in the THOROUGHBRED INDUSTRY
so...you think you are the resident expert?
I won't put you down, because I don't know what experience you have had
but all I ask is you show the same respect to the rest of us
because our knowledge and experience may outweigh your own
by a long-shot, ya never know...you're just assuming

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by sumitas

Calledon is not on predigreequery.com

Calledon's Prospect is indeed listed...but not his record! I think he had 79 races with 17 wins (one stake in Charlestown pre slots)...raced until 11, then put in a killing field to die of starvation (more likely dehydration of course)...that's where I got him almost 6 years ago.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by dr.fager

again get a sense of humor....I never attacked your credibility if you can show me where anyone but you said "I'm the conformation analysis expert on this board" then I'll concede.

But frankly it doesn't matter it was a joke...that statement was as much of a dig on cajun as you...difference is she didn't spend half her day formulating a response....why....because she has a sense of humor.

Awww, I guess I'm just so used to negativety on this site. You didn't attack my credibility. Others did. I just posted my replay in this thread. You are right...a sense of humor would be good today but I'm really stressed out. I had a sense of humor last night though. I can't remember. I'm running on only four hours of sleep and I'm quite cranky. Well, I'm back off to college! Ya'll take care and don't get any rowdier until I get back (I don't want to miss all of the good stuff). LOL.

Why don't ya'll post a thread that has all of the forum members vote for or against Bernardini. That way, we could end the debate, at least, on the board. I don't have time to right now.

If you can take the time to stop looking at the sky you might want to check your nose, it's ripe with boogers.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by BellamyRd.

They are not the ONLY ones working in the industry who post here
even so, some of us have professional level knowledge
or have been around the game our entire lives
I have a degree in equine studies, and have studied extensive
conformation & pedigree and sales trends in the THOROUGHBRED INDUSTRY
so...you think you are the resident expert?
I won't put you down, because I don't know what experience you have had
but all I ask is you show the same respect to the rest of us
because our knowledge and experience may outweigh your own
by a long-shot, ya never know...you're just assuming

What is your degree? Equine Management or something else? How many studies have you conducted? I have done too many studies to count on conformation analysis of the Thoroughbred breed...of all horse breeds in every discipline. Give me some credentials and I will show respect. I may not be the only expert in this area, but no one else was speaking up or giving me any information to think otherwise. Rupert Pupkin is also an expert in the subject on this board. Larphage is good at it too. I will do a complete analysis on both barbaro and bernardini when I get back. I will say that Barbaro had very bad conformation, but he was built like a cheetah meaning that he was very, very fast. Also keep in mind that judging can be rather opinionated.

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

What is your degree? Equine Management or something else? How many studies have you conducted? I have done too many studies to count on conformation analysis of the Thoroughbred breed...of all horse breeds in every discipline. Give me some credentials and I will show respect. I may not be the only expert in this area, but no one else was speaking up or giving me any information to think otherwise. Rupert Pupkin is also an expert in the subject on this board. Larphage is good at it too. I will do a complete analysis on both barbaro and bernardini when I get back. I will say that Barbaro had very bad conformation, but he was built like a cheetah meaning that he was very, very fast. Also keep in mind that judging can be rather opinionated.

Well I'll have to check out Roxoboro...I'm sure Tabor and Godolphin are regulars at the studies you are conducting on the "thoroughbreds" there...and your "analysis" sounded contrived, and all over the place, like your were copying words out of various textbooks, and/ or websites you first came across

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Calledon's Prospect is indeed listed...but not his record! I think he had 79 races with 17 wins (one stake in Charlestown pre slots)...raced until 11, then put in a killing field to die of starvation (more likely dehydration of course)...that's where I got him almost 6 years ago.

Didn't think I still had them but found his race records:
79/ 17-13-13 $128,436
won: Frank Gall Memorial CT 1993
placed: Frank Gall Memorial CT 1992

Originally Posted by LARHAGE

I agree re: Magnum Psyche, saw him win Nationals, I have a Padrons Psyche son and am breeding to a black Magnum Psyche son this spring, an absolutely breathtaking horse is Magnum Psyche, I also saw him as a yearling and he was as beautiful than an he is now! I agree also about judging show horses and race horses, it's actually harder in that show horses are being bred to be conformationally perfect, racehorses are bred for speed, anyone who has done rescue or has ex-racers can attest to how bad their conformation sometimes is, the judging there is completely different. I acually thought Seattle Slew was pretty unattractive, and Pleasnat Colony was downright hideous!

sunday silence wasn't much of a looker either....good thing he never looked in the mirror, might have hurt his self esteem.

i havne't seen a conformation shot of bernardini. just know that he seems to move very well, which is more important anyway isn't it?

i'd rather have an ugly winner than a pretty loser!