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Well Freddy, not to dispel your view, but Rampillion got a 56 Beyer for Tuesday's effort. You'll be singing a different tune when your New York bred hits the track though, because by way of comparison, here's what the 56 Beyer gets at Belmont Park.. without slots:
6/19: MDN CLM ($16k CLM PRICE) -- EASTERN PRIME 54 BSF ($15k purse) 6/20: NYB-MSW -- HOLD THE CRUISER 54 BSF ($41k purse) 6/21: NYB-MSW -- KITTY WISH 56 BSF ($42k purse) So even though your New York bred may be as slow and pathetic as Rampillion, my guess is you'll put that same $30,000-$50,000 into her or him and run through conditions in NYB company. Just a hunch. Even though she'll be facing similar vermin to that which Rampillion faced. But it will be OK because it won't be slot money fueling the purses.. just NY taxpayer dollars funneled into the state bred development fund. Totally different scenario.. 
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06-25-2009, 06:15 AM
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It's way worse then you think..Your real case against me will be when the filly that DrugS and I own goes in a 44 Mdn Spl at PID where the winning BSF will be in the 40's MAYBE. And yes I will be happy when the filly wins and she could and yes it will be in a horrendously bad race with hopeless horses and the purse will be the product of Slots.. I still think the product will suck and I still think it is wrong to promote the sport in such a direction. It's mindless to have such bad stock racing for fools gold. If you don't think I hate 4 NY bred races on a card of 9 at Saratoga you are nuts. I hate it. I hate it when a field of 6 show up for a 68k allowance NW2 and 14 stuff the NY Mdn 35k race. Taxpayers money is clearly a better avenue then legalized theft. Slots are bad they hurt people and once they are everywhere the shot in the arm that they give owners and horseman will loose all meaning. And will have a bunch of slow horses to find homes for, As for "pills" being pathetic I never called her that, and was complimentary to her effort. What I said is she beat vermin, fillies that could bearly be considered race horses.. More importantly you know that to be very very true.
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06-25-2009, 06:21 AM
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Taxpayer money invested into an industry in an effort to promote it and have it develop jobs is good business when done correctly. Racing should be and is entitled as an industry to state government investment. And yes I hate the friggin Lottery also. Half the folks at a GA meeting are broke from the g-d damned lottery.
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06-25-2009, 06:23 AM
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Then if it's that bad, why bother playing
 isn't there something else you can do with your money. You may be right about racing at Delaware or someplace else, but it was about DEE TEE STABLES on Tuesday. Save the other crap for some other day. We get it Freddy!
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06-25-2009, 06:52 AM
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Congratulations DT!
And thanks to those who posted the photos. don
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Who kidnapped Freddy?
Usually he goes off the deep end.....but rarely makes valid points doing it.
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Ok so its in vogue to USE PA. and its slots so owners now rush to land of milk and honey.. They drop in Pa, race in Pa., buy hay in Pa, and in turn Pa.'s slots subsidizes the sport not its patrons ... Chapter 6 now sees Pa artificially expand there industry as owners and business folks rush to grab the 45k mdn spl money, and all those must run pa races, and must spend dollars. Chapter 7 Ohio gets slots, Chapter 8, WV get more agressive to get more slot revenus and expands and makes slots more attractive with better pay outs because their horseman lobby that the once 19k 5 claimer race is now running for 6200, and the horses are gone. Chapter 9 PID and Philly Park, start to feel the competition there programs start to decline because the players are wiped out or in WV. Chapter 10 oops we have a ton of horses and now the 44k mdn spl is 25k and the hay guy isn't delivering hay. Chapter 11 HBO revisits the kill pen guy since there are so many horses that chased the slot dollars that aren't there anymore.. Basically it irresponsible to expand a business especially a business that on its on merits is currently broke by throwing money at it. It's like that commercial where they just thru money at any issue. Slots are the same thing 5 hour energy drink that has you crashing and feeling crappy then before you took it. While I respect everyone opinion here that isn't a RA RA go baby go, love you girl fan. I fail to understand why if you love something as much as I do that you could continue to let it to destroy itself with foolish concepts. Listening to Tony Black laud how Delaware Park was saved by slots Yada Yada Yada is beyond insane. Delaware Park while lovely and somewhat historic, Steve don't get all mysty eyed with me now, is basically an operation that will close its doors the minute Slots/ gambling wain in there existence. The minute that the state and or citizens of the state decide to use the land for something that is better its over johnny. When Steve posted Nerud's thoughts on the future of NY racing it was a plan. While it may have be wrong(i really dont know) at least it was a cogent plan. The state governments need to help develop industry and racing should be one that has appeal to all. What racing needs is a plan a plan that they can hang their hat on and present to elected officials. One that tells officials if you give us ex dollars each year for a period of time we are going to invest those dollars in a manner that will return X dollars in tax revenue and X job etc. etc. It needs someone to run it like a business not a like a kid in a candy store (slots) swallowing as much candy as it can as fast as it can and then calling the trip to the Dr a revenue producer or calling the new candy salesman a new sustainable job. I always hope that when reading posts and spending time exploring these issues I get inspired by someone who has an idea or plan. Hopefully people use these boards as mechanisms to interact and inject like on the subject. As Steve Byk can explain, much of the common law we have in society today is because off the expansive arguing and discussions of Talmudic study. You have to open the wound and let people figure out how to heal it. You cant just keep covering it up with money hoping it will go away. If that isn't love then I guess I will never know love. Last edited by freddymo : 06-26-2009 at 06:08 AM.
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The fundamental issue here is whether you accept that the tithe money from alternate gaming that goes to racing interests is justifiable or not. Many accept that racing is the grandfather and standard-setter for gambling in this country for more than a century. As such, and as an agri-business with renewable and sustainable resources that give it an edge on the casino industry, it is entitled to 'wet its' beak' off the other modern gaming options. You don't agree based seemingly on moral principals and a somewhat strange view point based on the quality of the competition the revenue bolsters. Fine. I don't think casino games like Acey Duecy, Pagow Poker, Wheel of Fortune or the slots themselves and scratch off Lottery tickets constitute 'quality competition' or 'entertainment value' myself, but I don't begrudge those that partake.
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I will take the money if I can make it. I am not a fool if I can earn I will Steve. I have never repped I wouldn't. The revenue is misdirected in fact misdirected is a horrible choice of words it is directionless. There is no plan, accept how to give the money away. There isn't a methodology to invest it into the industry. Use it or lose it dump it into the purses and into breeders awards and tell the wolves to come and get it. Then when all the lambs are slaughtered and dead there is nothing left to eat. Its funny all the slot arguments are based on entitlement. Either we are entitled because they have them or we are entitled because you have other gambling. Nobody says the industry can be viable if we invest with our state government correctly to build a strong product.. Nope folks want there pound of flesh they want it now they want to eat it and then when they are hungry again they want more. They don't want to plow the fields. water the soil, fertilize the land, and wait for the harvest..Nope they just gotta have those fast bucks. Everybody is so worried about Ky not having a few meets and how adversely effected the breeders and other jobs in the industry will exist. I leave in Central Jersey the once hot bed of Standard bred racing..Lots of farms lots of jobs and lots of horses are gone,, they went to were the better money was from slots because the teet money from AC is drying up. I guess that is what happens when the proliteration of too much gambling hits an industry that subsidizes it..And you want this to continue so in 5 years KY is in the same mess that others have fallen into.. How about biting the bullet.Less racing date less meets less jobs less trainers less owners and please fewer horses. Then you get to a point were strong owners come in to the land scape. Either partnerships like DT were 500 people invest 1000 buck each to buy 2 to 4 well bred horses from stallions who raced till they were 4 and were sound. Were you have allocated 36k a year for trainer expense and all recognize the risks in advance. Or owners that like in 1934 have more then enough money to fund there HOBBY correctly. How about then the product might attract genuine interst becase the horses that are running need to be fast and sound because there are limited venues and dates. The weak wil fail the strong will survive the industry will become more piopular with a stronger centralized fan base. And perhaps betting the sport will become entertaining an popular again? BTW did KY not having slots help handle decline 1 billion last year.. I suggest if handle goes up you don't have to worry about other industry supporting yours. Worry about the friggin handle and the industry will prosper in due time. Amazing you spent endless hours on slots and why EVERYBODY needs them. And in one fleeting minute all those babies crying for their bottle could have been silienced if they explored the answer to increasing the handle.
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freddy - what about yonkers, tell me that slots are not helping there and that they aren't going to help in the future
yonkers is now the most profitable casino in the state of ny it's working freddymo , it's working
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