Catholic Leadership

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

It's really unfortunate and more than a little bit maddening, because it seems that they've been more concerned with internal audits and reviews and keeping things out the media than they have been concerned with making sure kids aren't getting sexually abused for years now.

Sigh.

http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/103969

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37954415...d_news-europe/

Pope: Belgian sex abuse raids deplorable
by NICOLE WINFIELD
Associated Press Writer
updated 48 minutes ago

The pope on Sunday called the raids carried out by Belgian police investigating priestly sex abuse "deplorable" and asserted the right of the Catholic Church to investigate abuse alongside civil law enforcement authorities.

Pope Benedict XVI issued a message Sunday to the head of the Belgian bishops' conference, Monsignor Andre-Joseph Leonard, expressing his solidarity with all Belgian bishops "in this sad moment."



sorry, a priest or biship deserves no different treatment from anyone else suspected of committing a crime.

no offense to the Catholics on here.. but both Benne and JP are going to hell (well JP is already there). Sick human beings who have some power trip title.

[Danzig]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100628/...n_church_abuse




Vatican admonishes Austrian cardinal for comments

By NICOLE WINFIELD, Associated Press Writer Nicole Winfield, Associated Press Writer – 1 hr 50 mins ago
VATICAN CITY – The Vatican on Monday issued an unprecedented rebuke of a top cardinal who had accused the retired Vatican No. 2 of blocking clerical sex abuse investigations, publicly dressing down a man who had been praised for his criticism of church abuse cover-ups.

The silencing of Cardinal Christoph Schoenborn, the archbishop of Vienna and long considered a papal contender, drew heated criticism from clerical abuse victims. They said the Vatican should be honoring Schoenborn, not publicly humiliating him, for his calls for greater transparency and demands for a crackdown on priests who rape and sodomize children.

Schoenborn has also called for an open discussion of priestly celibacy; views that the Vatican said he "clarified" on Monday during an audience with the pope.

As it admonished Schoenborn, the Vatican appeared caught on the defensive on two other fronts in the ongoing sex abuse scandal: it remained locked in a diplomatic tiff with Belgium over the brazen raid on church offices last week, during which police detained bishops and even opened a crypt in search of church abuse documents. And it bristled at the U.S. Supreme Court decision to let a sex abuse lawsuit in Oregon naming the Holy See go ahead.

Schoenborn had accused the former Vatican secretary of state, Cardinal Angelo Sodano, in April of blocking a church investigation into the late Austrian Cardinal Hans Hermann Groer, who was accused by victims in 1995 of abusing boys at a seminary — a scandal that rocked the Austrian church and cost Groer his job.





"With his words, Benedict professes concern for victims. But by his actions, Benedict shows concern for his colleagues," said David Clohessy, executive director of SNAP, the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests.

[GBBob]

It's sad when it takes a topic as horrifying as this to bring the Left and Right together.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GBBob

It's sad when it takes a topic as horrifying as this to bring the Left and Right together.

some things will unify everyone. rampant injustice being one of them-especially where children are involved.

good news:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37974481/ns/us_news/


Court lets Vatican-sex abuse lawsuit move forward


by RACHEL ZOLL
AP Religion Writer
updated 29 minutes ago

A lawsuit against the Vatican that had been dismissed as a publicity stunt moved forward when the U.S. Supreme Court refused to hear an appeal from the Holy See. Monday's development represents a significant advance for what many believed to be a long-shot claim that the Vatican bears legal responsibility for molester priests.

The high court's decision not to stop the lawsuit means the clergy sex abuse case will go to trial in an Oregon district court.

"I have known for 25 years that all roads lead to Rome," said Jeff Anderson, the Minnesota attorney who represents the plaintiff. "This is the beginning for us of a new journey, a uniquely difficult odyssey."

Anderson, who has represented hundreds of abuse victims and has tried for years to sue the Vaitcan, said he hoped to persuade a judge that he should be allowed to depose Vatican officials.







Anderson argues in the case that priests are Vatican employees for the purpose of American law. If the trial judge agrees, that would constitute an exception to the Foreign Sovereign Immunity Act, under which the Vatican has been immune from the jurisdiction of U.S. courts.



According to the lawsuit, Ronan, who belonged to a religious order, began abusing boys in the mid-1950s as a priest in the Archdiocese of Armagh, Ireland. He was transferred to Chicago, where he allegedly admitted abusing three boys at St. Philip's High School.

Ronan was later moved to a parish in Portland, Ore., where he was accused of abusing the person who filed the lawsuit now under appeal. He was removed from the priesthood in 1966, according to the Archdiocese of Portland, and died in 1992.

The Obama administration had sided with the Vatican on the issue of sovereign immunity.

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i can't emphatically enough say that i disagree with the obama administration in this.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

some things will unify everyone.
.

Especially when the country is attacked, ie 911, even the pedophilic, homosexual priests agree.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Especially when the country is attacked, ie 911, even the pedophilic, homosexual priests agree.

it really upsets me when people use these two words together. Its quite insulting. A pedophile is a pedophile whether they harm boys or girls.

Homosexuality and pedophilia have absolutely nothing to do with one another.

Gay priests who join the church arent going to harm little boys because they are gay. The pedophile Priests harm little boys cause they are sick fucl<s with no morals and hide behind the church for "protection".

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

it really upsets me when people use these two words together. Its quite insulting. A pedophile is a pedophile whether they harm boys or girls.

Homosexuality and pedophilia have absolutely nothing to do with one another.

Gay priests who join the church arent going to harm little boys because they are gay. The pedophile Priests harm little boys cause they are sick fucl<s with no morals and hide behind the church for "protection".

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

it really upsets me when people use these two words together. Its quite insulting. A pedophile is a pedophile whether they harm boys or girls.

Homosexuality and pedophilia have absolutely nothing to do with one another.

Gay priests who join the church arent going to harm little boys because they are gay. The pedophile Priests harm little boys cause they are sick fucl<s with no morals and hide behind the church for "protection".

I posted that of the vast numbers of gay priests in the church only a small percentage are pedophiles but it is the combination of their homosexualty coupled with their pedophilia that leads them to boys who in the case of the church make up well over 90% of the victims. If there was an equal amount of heterosexual priests you'd expect the same small percentage of them to be pedophiles and thus we'd have an equal amount of girls coming forth.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I posted that of the vast numbers of gay priests in the church only a small percentage are pedophiles but it is the combination of their homosexualty coupled with their pedophilia that leads them to boys who in the case of the church make up well over 90% of the victims. If there was an equal amount of heterosexual priests you'd expect the same small percentage of them to be pedophiles and thus we'd have an equal amount of girls coming forth.

you can think what you want to think.. Just wanted to point out that it is very insulting.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

you can think what you want to think.. Just wanted to point out that it is very insulting.

I'm sorry and didn't want to insult anyone. I agree that pedphilia has nothing to do with homosexuality and know there are far more heterosexual pedophiles than homosexual ones. Just not in the Catholic church.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I'm sorry and didn't want to insult anyone. I agree that pedphilia has nothing to do with homosexuality and know there are far more heterosexual pedophiles than homosexual ones. Just not in the Catholic church.

Yet another shining moment for the Catholic church and it's fine record of monitoring the use and whereabouts of charitable donations it receives.

http://www.aolnews.com/article/polic...style/19544790

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I'm sorry and didn't want to insult anyone. I agree that pedphilia has nothing to do with homosexuality and know there are far more heterosexual pedophiles than homosexual ones. Just not in the Catholic church.

I disagree.
this is Catholic Priests going after little boys
so I believe most peds are homersexuals
just ask NAMBLA

[Danzig]

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbo...lestation.html

The distinction between a victim's gender and a perpetrator's sexual orientation is important because many child molesters don't really have an adult sexual orientation. They have never developed the capacity for mature sexual relationships with other adults, either men or women. Instead, their sexual attractions focus on children – boys, girls, or children of both sexes.

and


the important point is that many child molesters cannot be meaningfully described as homosexuals, heterosexuals, or bisexuals (in the usual sense of those terms) because they are not really capable of a relationship with an adult man or woman. Instead of gender, their sexual attractions are based primarily on age. These individuals – who are often characterized as fixated – are attracted to children, not to men or women.


and

This well known lack of a linkage between homosexuality and child molestation accounts for why relatively little research has directly addressed the issue. Proving something we already know simply isn't a priority.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

I disagree.
this is Catholic Priests going after little boys
so I believe most peds are homersexuals
just ask NAMBLA

you've decoded this correctly so long as most pedophiles are catholic priests.

what do you think the odds of that are?

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

you've decoded this correctly so long as most pedophiles are catholic priests.

what do you think the odds of that are?

I'm not sure what convoluted point he was trying to make, but I did like that he used the term "homersexuals." Now, I'm not sure what a homersexual is exactly, but it sounds kind of interesting.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by miraja2

I'm not sure what convoluted point he was trying to make, but I did like that he used the term "homersexuals." Now, I'm not sure what a homersexual is exactly, but it sounds kind of interesting.

I think Marge is a Homersexual.

[randallscott35]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/18/op...ml?ref=opinion

[Danzig]

this article discusses the new vatican rules that maureen dowd was discussing in her piece:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/16/wo...16vatican.html

VATICAN CITY — The Vatican issued revisions to its internal laws on Thursday making it easier to discipline sex-abuser priests, but caused confusion by also stating that ordaining women as priests was as grave an offense as pedophilia.

The new rules do not, for example, hold bishops accountable for abuse by priests on their watch, nor do they require them to report sexual abuse to civil authorities — though less formal “guidelines” issued earlier this year encourage reporting if local law compels it.