My favorite moment from the TVG Zenyatta telecast..

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Chantal Sutherland could ride Malibu Prayer and she'd toast Zenyatta.

Now that I've had a chance to look up LBT's pedigree - I'm not sure Zenyatta could beat Lisa's Booby Trap on synthetics.

It's a lot of fun being as smart as your typical Zenyatta fan.

Unfortunately you are revealing more about your lack of ability to assess race dynamics and their influence on a horses' style. You also really don't get what she is about. Whether you think she is a fraud/ducking her competition/or some other foolish idea, you just refuse to evaluate her objectively. Evaluating a horse objectively is an absolute necessity for a handicapper. You are obviously showing that you fall dramatically short in that regard. And your handicapping will undoubtedly suffer as well. Good luck in your betting.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Uh huh, because we all know you're proven as both a better bettor and handicapper than I am.

Dream on.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I think Hallowed Dreams faced better horses in most of her ungraded LA races than Zenyatta has in almost all of her Grade 1's.

Here was the point when I got caught up in overratting Hallowed Dreams. She had won 23 of her first 24 career starts, and broke into the side of the gate and was rushed in her lone defeat.

Zenyatta wouldn't have had a chance against Hallowed Dreams at six furlongs and probably at seven furlongs. Among Hallowed Dreams' open company victims at FG during the 2000-2001 meet were Roxelana, Fiesty Countess, My Alibi, and Steal A Heart.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I remember fooling myself into thinking she was one of the best female sprinters in the country because of her record and her performances... and later taking abuse for it when she finally lost a step or two.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I remember fooling myself into thinking she was one of the best female sprinters in the country because of her record and her performances... and later taking abuse for it when she finally lost a step or two.

That wasn't an unreasonable position to take at the time. I wasn't a big fan of her until that FG meet when she won for fun in the Pan Zareta and Victoria Lass.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

They're actually just big fans of The Police album. Picking Zenyatta to win was really a giant hunch bet for those guys. They had no idea she was actually the best horse.

What baffles me about all of this is after she won the BC classic even the staunchest Zenyatta doubters said "well ok that finally proves she's a great horse". Since then she's won three more and now she sucks again. How can that be

[philcski]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

What baffles me about all of this is after she won the BC classic even the staunchest Zenyatta doubters said "well ok that finally proves she's a great horse". Since then she's won three more and now she sucks again. How can that be

You are rated based on your competition, no? How does beating the likes of Rinterval further her greatness?

I like Zenyatta. No, I really like Zenyatta. I don't like seeing her face total crap all the time. That's probably most fans' complaint.

Originally Posted by philcski

You are rated based on your competition, no? How does beating the likes of Rinterval further her greatness?

I like Zenyatta. No, I really like Zenyatta. I don't like seeing her face total crap all the time. That's probably most fans' complaint.

18 for 18 makes her greatness unquestioned IMO.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

18 for 18 makes her greatness unquestioned IMO.

YES!

Signed,

Peppers Pride

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

What baffles me about all of this is after she won the BC classic even the staunchest Zenyatta doubters said "well ok that finally proves she's a great horse". Since then she's won three more and now she sucks again. How can that be

No one said she sucks. The idea that people defend her without regard for context baffles me. Any horse that wins 18 in a row against any manner of competition obviously is a superior individual. But what I maintain is that this years campaign has shown her to be merely superior to untested and decidely inferior (to be kind) fillies and really hasnt done a single thing to make anyone but the ardent supporters believe otherwise. Winning the BC was a very nice accomplishment (despite the obviously weak field for the event) but it hardly qualifies her for the ridiclousness that is spouted about her place among the greats, all of which proved themselves time after time in the top races, winning and losing to the best competition.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

YES!

Signed,

Peppers Pride

we're so jealous.

regards,
secretariat, citation.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

No one said she sucks. The idea that people defend her without regard for context baffles me. Any horse that wins 18 in a row against any manner of competition obviously is a superior individual. But what I maintain is that this years campaign has shown her to be merely superior to untested and decidely inferior (to be kind) fillies and really hasnt done a single thing to make anyone but the ardent supporters believe otherwise. Winning the BC was a very nice accomplishment (despite the obviously weak field for the event) but it hardly qualifies her for the ridiclousness that is spouted about her place among the greats, all of which proved themselves time after time in the top races, winning and losing to the best competition.

[Thunder Gulch]

Well said, but the 50th time this same statement has been made to no avail with the Zen crowd. You cant rationalize with the irrational.....they read your statement as such:
No one said she sucks. The idea that people defend her without regard for context baffles me. Any horse that wins 18 in a row against any manner of competition obviously is a superior individual. But what I maintain is that this years campaign has shown her to be merely superior to untested and decidely inferior (to be kind) fillies and really hasnt done a single thing to make anyone but the ardent supporters believe otherwise. Winning the BC was a very nice accomplishment (despite the obviously weak field for the event) but it hardly qualifies her for the ridiclousness that is spouted about her place among the greats, all of which proved themselves time after time in the top races, winning and losing to the best competition..ADDBUT SHE NEVER LOST.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

Well said, but the 50th time this same statement has been made to no avail with the Zen crowd. You cant rationalize with the irrational.....they read your statement as such:
No one said she sucks. The idea that people defend her without regard for context baffles me. Any horse that wins 18 in a row against any manner of competition obviously is a superior individual. But what I maintain is that this years campaign has shown her to be merely superior to untested and decidely inferior (to be kind) fillies and really hasnt done a single thing to make anyone but the ardent supporters believe otherwise. Winning the BC was a very nice accomplishment (despite the obviously weak field for the event) but it hardly qualifies her for the ridiclousness that is spouted about her place among the greats, all of which proved themselves time after time in the top races, winning and losing to the best competition..ADDBUT SHE NEVER LOST.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

18 for 18 makes her greatness unquestioned IMO.

LOL

Sharp Post



Peppers Pride was the greatest of them all!

[Gate Dancer]

Originally Posted by Danzig

we're so jealous.

regards,
secretariat, citation.

Yeah, thank goodness she wasn't around when we were running................

Signed,
Alydar, Affirmed, Seattle Slew, Holy Bull, Spectacular Bid, Cigar, John Henry, Personal Ensign, Lady's Secret, Go For Wand, etc, etc, etc

[PatCummings]

How "great" do you have to be in this sport to be qualified for the Hall of Fame? If Point Given was elected, ANYONE could be...

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by PatCummings

How "great" do you have to be in this sport to be qualified for the Hall of Fame? If Point Given was elected, ANYONE could be...

I think we'll find out if Smarty Jones ever makes it in.

I can't imagine a situation where Zenyatta and Rachel Alexandra don't both get in. Of course, I also can't imagine why Sky Beauty is still in the waiting room.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by PatCummings

How "great" do you have to be in this sport to be qualified for the Hall of Fame? If Point Given was elected, ANYONE could be...

I don't get the knocks on Point Given...and he had very few annoying fans by the way ....

Except for a certain someone.