The Death Penalty

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Danzig

against it for all the reasons cited. the state shouldnt be in the killing business. have also read that a life sentence is cheaper. death sentences drag on for years so they avoid any chance of a mistake.

As I said before, the cost reason can be changed. I can be done more cheaply. Even lethal injection doesn't have to be used. Firing squad is far cheaper.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

That's the first time I've ever heard "too expensive" as a reason for not using the death penalty. A little word comprehension goes a long way too

there are more than just morality issues surrounding the death penalty...people just tend not to talk about them.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

I understand where you are coming from but not all rapists are murderers. I don't agree that people who do things like this would simply think ahead to the point of killing their victim.

To me there are two different groups of rapists:

Group 1 is the ones that just rape random strangers, they probably deserve the death penalty but they are also the same group that might just start raping and then killing their victims if you had the death penalty for rapists.

Group 2 is the the ones that rape girls they are already engaged in relations with. These are the Kobe Bryant/Mike Tyson/Ben Roethlisberger's that have a tough time understanding that when a woman comes to their room (or goes into a stall with them) they still have the right to say no. These sort of rapists would never kill their victims cause they don't often think what they are doing is wrong. But while this group should be punished I do not believe that they deserve the death penalty. Accidental statutory rapists like Lawrence Taylor would fall into this category too.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

cost to house an inmate for life is less than cost of current rights for capital convictions to court appeals. if you want to make the us govt like the taliban and stone people without delay be my guest...but i dont see that working here.

Exactly.
And it is seems fine to some when people say stuff like "speed up the process" or "limit the appeals," but when you see the staggering number of people who have been convicted and sentenced to death row....only to be proven innocent later, that gets harder and harder (for a thinking person) to say. The appeals are there for a reason, and I firmly believe that as long as the death penalty exists, it is a good thing that the process takes as long as it does.

[randallscott35]

I should have been more specific. I wasn't talking about all forms of rape. It will never happen, just something I believe in.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

there are more than just morality issues surrounding the death penalty...people just tend not to talk about them.

....of course.

[clyde]

Holy Mother of God!





The Usual Suspects have taken over.

ET...you have larnt something.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by miraja2

The problem with that is there have been cases where people have confessed to capital crimes, and then it turned out later that they didn't do it. That is hard for most people to understand, because they think "why the hell would somebody confess to something they didn't do? I would never do that."
The problem lies in the fact that not everyone's mind works the same. Some people are mentally incompetent, or some people react very differently to lenghty and tough police questioning (even when the police do everything legally). Although a confession seems like incontrovertible evidence....it isn't in all cases. If the state puts somebody to death on the grounds of that evidence, it could certainly turn out that they actually executed an innocent person who (for whatever reason) gave a false confession.

I also dont believe that people with mental disabilities should be put to death.

(and I'm talking Mental Retardation, not sociopaths)

Wasnt there another case in Texas where a man with Mental Retardation was given the death penalty for killing someone?

That, to me, is wrong.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by clyde

Holy Mother of God!





The Usual Suspects have taken over.

ET...you have larnt something.

I did it for us Clyde. I haven't been larnt up good for years.

ET

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

joeydb made a good point as to why it can't be used for rape, it will just encourage the rapists to kill their victims as it makes it less likely they will be caught and the punishment would be the same.

Now if rapists were subject to castration, that is something I could support.

Joey's point was a good one, though on the other hand you would think that knowing you will be put to death for rape or murder would maybe prevent people from committing the crime.

I'm all for castration for 1st degree sex offenders. (dont think a 18yo high school senior should be castrated for sleeping with his freshmen girlfriend).

They should make it as painful as possible too. (though that will never happen, since we cant even pour water over terrorists faces)

[paisjpq]

"...The trouble with the death penalty has always been that nobody wanted it for everybody, but everybody differed about who should get off."
Albert Pierrepoint--one of Britains last hangmen.
also the subject of an OK indie film called Pierrepoint: the last hangman

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

That's the first time I've ever heard "too expensive" as a reason for not using the death penalty. A little word comprehension goes a long way too

i used it in the post right above hers. Its WAY too much of a burden on taxpayers.. I imagine killing someone could be pretty cheap.. but all the appeals add up too high.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Exactly.
And it is seems fine to some when people say stuff like "speed up the process" or "limit the appeals," but when you see the staggering number of people who have been convicted and sentenced to death row....only to be proven innocent later, that gets harder and harder (for a thinking person) to say. The appeals are there for a reason, and I firmly believe that as long as the death penalty exists, it is a good thing that the process takes as long as it does.

while I agree with this somewhat, in the past 10 years or so DNA has become much more of an exact science. I lbelieve DNA proves way beyond any reasonable doubt, since two people never have the same DNA (maybe identicle twins do? I dunno). If DNA proves, speed up the process and save the

Remember back in OJ's trail that DNA seemed like nothing? Oh Ron Goldmans DNA was found in OJ's car! no big deal! he's not guilty!

[clyde]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I did it for us Clyde. I haven't been larnt up good for years.

ET

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Fine work!!...really is.

[dellinger63]

used to be a time where there were father's, uncles, brothers, and neighbors who handled these situations. Of course we've evolved since then.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

As I said before, the cost reason can be changed. I can be done more cheaply. Even lethal injection doesn't have to be used. Firing squad is far cheaper.

expense is the minor reason. and the expense is caused by years of appeals, since as i said previously, everyone wants to make sure no mistakes are made. after all, once a life is taken, you can't say oops and give it back. but the main reason is what i said first, the state shouldn't be killing anyone while saying killing is wrong.
let them sit and rot the rest of their days. and as i've said in the past, you read a hellish story (like that 'mother' who strangled her two sons and then put them in the car and claimed they drowned) in s car. and think 'kill them'-but that's why we make our laws in calmer moments.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

expense is the minor reason. and the expense is caused by years of appeals, since as i said previously, everyone wants to make sure no mistakes are made. after all, once a life is taken, you can't say oops and give it back. but the main reason is what i said first, the state shouldn't be killing anyone while saying killing is wrong.
let them sit and rot the rest of their days. and as i've said in the past, you read a hellish story (like that 'mother' who strangled her two sons and then put them in the car and claimed they drowned) in s car. and think 'kill them'-but that's why we make our laws in calmer moments.

This woman killed her three children to spite her husband. After 11 years she doesn't looked punished to me!

http://www.idoc.state.il.us/subsections/search/inms.asp

sorry search Lemak

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

This woman killed her three children to spite her husband. After 11 years she doesn't looked punished to me!

http://www.idoc.state.il.us/subsections/search/inms.asp

i'm talking about the one from just a couple days ago. i cannot imagine someone doing such a thing.
at any rate, you can always find people who didn't get the sentence they should have-that won't change my mind about whether we should have a death penalty. you can name sick bastards all you want-it doesn't matter.
but the lady a couple days ago-when the initial story came out, she claimed to have run off the road into a lake, and couldn't get her two boys out. i skimmed over the first couple lines of the article and told my husband she killed them. sure enough, she confessed. strangled them at home, and then put them in the car.

[dellinger63]

This guy killed a husband wife and cut a fetus out of the wife to kill it.

http://www.idoc.state.il.us/subsections/search/inms.asp

search Biro, David

[dellinger63]

and finally this guy while doing a gang drive-by shot thru a window of a bar and hit a college-going waitress paralyzing her for life. WHILE HE WAS OUT ON BAIL he was insulted and murdered a gang rival in a grocery store and he will be out AGAIN in 10 years or less!!!!!

http://www.idoc.state.il.us/subsections/search/inms.asp

Edwin Casiano