Baseball Playoffs

[Smooth Operator]

Best clutch pitcher in the business

Still stunning to think about the way Amaro treated him during the off-season

If that scenario above ever came true, it would be some seriously sweet poetic justice for CL

Of course, Antichrist32 would still think that Amaro was a genius…

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Rangers vs. Giants World Series will result in a 1 year personal moratorium on threads started about Islam, Turks, or the Dodgers.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Go Bankees!!

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Best clutch pitcher in the business

Still stunning to think about the way Amaro treated him during the off-season

If that scenario above ever came true, it would be some seriously sweet poetic justice for CL

Of course, Antichrist32 would still think that Amaro was a genius…

How did Amaro treat him in the offseason? He got Halladay which was his goal. Did he talk poorly about Lee's family or something? I don't remember reading that. Unless he did that, I don't think he was treated poorly. Halladay is a better pitcher than Lee. Period. Lee is on a different plane in postseason granted and his first 8 postseason starts are perhaps the best ever. A team in 3 straight NLCS series' along with one world championship so far is a phenomenal job. It's simply a case of the Giants top 3 of Lincecum, Cain and Sanchez is very close and can match up with Halladay, Oswalt and Hamels. It's a great series.

All reports are that Lee will play in siberia if they give him the most money after this year. If there was no possible way for them to sign him after this year which I'm guessing is likely, they chose Halladay and tried to get something in return for Lee. I have no problem with anything they did, and they added Oswalt for the playoffs. The postseason can be a crap shoot and they may not get there, but they are in a great spot right now without Lee. They made their decisions and it's worked out fine regardless of if they beat the Giants or not.

[Cannon Shell]

Philadelphia absolutely screwed up the Lee deal. They got less for him than AZ got for Edwin Jackson. Seattle got way better prospects for Lee despite having no leverage. If they keep Lee and let him sign somewhere else they get number 1 draft picks in return. If they trade him for players that will help them this year, maybe they wouldn't have had to slog through Kyle Kendrick and most of the bullpen. The fact that Halladay signed a far below market value deal and what they had to give oswalt makes the 9 million it would have cost them look like peanuts.

They took one of the most valuable assets in baseball, a playoff tested ace, and turned him into basically nothing.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Philadelphia absolutely screwed up the Lee deal. They got less for him than AZ got for Edwin Jackson. Seattle got way better prospects for Lee despite having no leverage. If they keep Lee and let him sign somewhere else they get number 1 draft picks in return. If they trade him for players that will help them this year, maybe they wouldn't have had to slog through Kyle Kendrick and most of the bullpen. The fact that Halladay signed a far below market value deal and what they had to give oswalt makes the 9 million it would have cost them look like peanuts.

They took one of the most valuable assets in baseball, a playoff tested ace, and turned him into basically nothing.

I don't pay attention to the minor leagues too much and don't really know what the prospects they got for Lee have done. I was appalled this time last year at what the Indians got for Lee, but a year later the trade is looking a bit better. Isn't it too early to completely judge what the Phils got for Lee?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I don't pay attention to the minor leagues too much and don't really know what the prospects they got for Lee have done. I was appalled this time last year at what the Indians got for Lee, but a year later the trade is looking a bit better. Isn't it too early to completely judge what the Phils got for Lee?

No it isn't.
Phillip Aumonte was kicked back to high A after going 1-6 with a 7.43 era in AA. He was slightly less bad in single A going 2-5 with a 4.48 era.

JC Ramirez went 3-4 with a 5.45 era in double A. He also just had hip surgery.

Tyson Gilles missed most of the season with hamstring injuries but did manage to hit .238. He also was arrested on felony cocaine possesion.

Think there are any diamonds in that rough?

The problem was that no one else thought these guys were stud prospects before the trade. Cliff Lee should net you a 5 star or upper level 4 star prospect. In football terms a first or second round pick. They got 5th rounders with issues.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

No it isn't.
Phillip Aumonte was kicked back to high A after going 1-6 with a 7.43 era in AA. He was slightly less bad in single A going 2-5 with a 4.48 era.

JC Ramirez went 3-4 with a 5.45 era in double A. He also just had hip surgery.

Tyson Gilles missed most of the season with hamstring injuries but did manage to hit .238. He also was arrested on felony cocaine possesion.

Think there are any diamonds in that rough?

The problem was that no one else thought these guys were stud prospects before the trade. Cliff Lee should net you a 5 star or upper level 4 star prospect. In football terms a first or second round pick. They got 5th rounders with issues.

I guess those names had been posted in a thread here before and I forgot. Oh well, mybe the bionic hip will help Ramirez.

I think there are some underlying issues with Cliff Lee none of us know about. Victor Martinez was one of the most liked and respected Indians ever, and Cliff Lee hated his guts. It reached the point where Lee would not even pitch to him. Martinez never caught him his last year and a half there before the trade. although not as bad as the Phils, I don't think the Indians got for him nearly what they should have either and the Phils had no hesitation getting rid of him after what he did for them gettign the guys you mentioned. It doesn't make much sense.

[clyde]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I guess those names had been posted in a thread here before and I forgot. Oh well, mybe the bionic hip will help Ramirez.

I think there are some underlying issues with Cliff Lee none of us know about. Victor Martinez was one of the most liked and respected Indians ever, and Cliff Lee hated his guts. It reached the point where Lee would not even pitch to him. Martinez never caught him his last year and a half there before the trade. although not as bad as the Phils, I don't think the Indians got for him nearly what they should have either and the Phils had no hesitation getting rid of him after what he did for them gettign the guys you mentioned. It doesn't make much sense.

Member when Lee was having hat horrific year ..he hit an Hispanic player in the head in one game...and Martinez was furious over the fact Lee showed no concern...I think they had to be sep arated.....pretty sure Lee also spent 2 years in the Louisiana can...this sound right?