Weekend Beyers

[hockey2315]

Moss Race Shape for the San Felipe: 98 (+26) 98 (+17) 94 (+7) 91

He's a nice horse and his consistency might prove a huge asset, but let's all get a grip about his performance. It was an illusion.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Moss Race Shape for the San Felipe: 98 (+26) 98 (+17) 94 (+7) 91

He's a nice horse and his consistency might prove a huge asset, but let's all get a grip about his performance. It was an illusion.

Are you referring to Jaycito?

[hockey2315]

Mostly Premier Pegasus. . . he was far enough out of it early that I think it was still a very advantageous trip for him. I'm not saying he's not ok, but some of the excitement on here and other places got out of hand. Jaycito and the third horse obviously got a ton of help, but Jaycito does seem like the type who can suck up for a piece in the derby.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

PP was miles the best of the top 3 finishers.

Comma to the Top was an awesome 4th IMO. He would have murdered the Tampa Derby field on the basis of that performance.

[hockey2315]

I agree on Comma to the Top - I was shocked he ran on a bit.

[Kasept]

When tj asked yesterday 'who was 4th' and I went back to the screen and saw it was him, I was stunned. Having seen Runflatout and Albergatti straggle home, I had figured he was probably 8th ahead of them.

[Patrick333]

Asmussen seems to have turned It Happened Again around. He sure has improved over his last few races.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

I agree on Comma to the Top - I was shocked he ran on a bit.

I've kind of liked CTTT a bit as well. I was shocked he was still there late too, but might that be more of an indication that Jaycito just isn't that good?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

I've kind of liked CTTT a bit as well. I was shocked he was still there late too, but might that be more of an indication that Jaycito just isn't that good?

Okay, I'm lost. What does Comma to the top hanging on for fourth have to do with Jaycito being not very good?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Moss Race Shape for the San Felipe: 98 (+26) 98 (+17) 94 (+7) 91

Do you have the Moss race shape for the Tampa Derby or Uncle Mo's race?

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Do you have the Moss race shape for the Tampa Derby or Uncle Mo's race?

Tampa Bay Derby: 73 (+1) 75 (-4) 82 (-1) 86

Uncle Mo: 51 (-26) 59 (-24) 71 (-15) 89 WOW

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

San Felipe: 98 (+26) 98 (+17) 94 (+7) 91

Tampa Bay Derby: 73 (+1) 75 (-4) 82 (-1) 86

Uncle Mo: 51 (-26) 59 (-24) 71 (-15) 89 WOW

Ok - so Uncle Mo ran a 71 Moss for 6fs - that translates to running a 41 Beyer.

Comma to the Top (I believe the San Felipe leader after 6fs) ran a 94 Moss after 6fs - which translates to a 104 Beyer.

Bretheran (if memory serves) was the 6f leader in the Tampa Bay Derby. He ran a Moss of 82 - which means he ran a 71 Beyer for 6fs.

In other words - had Uncle Mo run in the San Felipe - he would have trailed Comma to the Top by 25.5 lengths with just 2.5 furlongs to go.


You can't say enough good things about Comma to the Tops performance - and enough bad things about the ride he got. Not many horses can run a 104 Beyer for 6f - after going 3-to-4 wide on the first turn. His late fade should be understandable to anyone.

Just like with humans - horses run to the best of their ability when they are allowed to run at an efficent rate of speed from start to finish.

An olympic quality miler won't post his best time by jogging 3 laps and sprinting the final one - nor will they post their best time by sprinting like Ussain Bolt from the start of the 1st lap.

Premier Pegasus chased The Factor in the San Vincente through cooking fast fractions - and he faded late. He simply used his speed more efficently on the stretch-out. The pace might have been too fast for everyone else. A plodder like Jaycito should have been much further back than he was.

[tjfla]

Comma to the Top ran big after sticking with them however if that race was any longer,he would have been in major trouble. No way he can run like that in a 1 1/8 mile race let the Derby.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by tjfla

Comma to the Top ran big after sticking with them however if that race was any longer,he would have been in major trouble. No way he can run like that in a 1 1/8 mile race let the Derby.

Spoken like someone who losses a lot more than takeout.

Comma to the Top would obliterate a lot of horses in that field at 9fs or futher. He's a horse that can be rated - and when rated - would use his speed a lot more efficently.

Everything in that race - including the winner - was stopping late. Comma to the Top was only stopping at a more severe rate because he actually did some real running.

[tjfla]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Spoken like someone who losses a lot more than takeout.

Comma to the Top would obliterate a lot of horses in that field at 9fs or futher. He's a horse that can be rated - and when rated - would use his speed a lot more efficently.

Everything in that race - including the winner - was stopping late. Comma to the Top was only stopping at a more severe rate because he actually did some real running.

So if the San Felipe was 1 1/8 he would have stayed in 4th??? I am saying that if he goes out like that in a longer race that he would have been dead. I liked the way he ran

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Spoken like someone who losses a lot more than takeout.

Comma to the Top would obliterate a lot of horses in that field at 9fs or futher. He's a horse that can be rated - and when rated - would use his speed a lot more efficently.

Everything in that race - including the winner - was stopping late. Comma to the Top was only stopping at a more severe rate because he actually did some real running.

If you take everything into account, Comma to the Top ran really well. I think you need to forgive horses that stopped in routes there this last weekend. Yea, he was close to fast pace, but the track was also not favoring the front in routes. Preamble made about the same move as P.P. did the day before. Not saying P.P. didn't run great. Just saying Comma ran a lot better than people think he did. He ran so much better than Jaycito (for instance.) Under different circumstances, Comma would of been very difficult to run down. I see the 2 efforts (Comma and P.P.) as being pretty close.