105 Billion Slush fund...you gotta read the bill

[timmgirvan]

http://blog.heritage.org/2011/03/09/...h-fund-exists/

3 separate "watchdog" entities confirm this. This subterfugue is exactly why the Republicans have steadfastly said NO to most everything the Dems have tried to foist on the American people.

[Riot]

Yes, "subterfuge" ... also called "legislation" and "funding contained in the legislation" and "general public knowledge", that has been in the bill, published, since day one, was discussed openly during the healthcare debate, discussed again before the elections in 2010 as a GOP talking point ... but Michelle Bachmann (R-BizarroWorld) finally noticed it.

Good for you, Michelle!

[somerfrost]

Conservative talking point...everything the President does is somehow unconstitutional, unAmerican, deceptive or evil.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Conservative talking point...everything the President does is somehow unconstitutional, unAmerican, deceptive or evil.

This isn't even a conservative talking point, this is only a Michelle-Bachmann-BizzaroWorld-some of the Tea Party talking point

So to see her yapping on to David Gregory on Meet The Press like she discovered something new and secret (that had been in the open for ... um, months now) was simply hilarious.

It does prove that not only did Bachmann and staff not bother to read the healthcare bill before it passed, they haven't looked at it since, they paid no attention whatsoever to these very GOP talking points about it when it was passed, nor did she pay attention to this very issue when the GOP brought it up during the election cycle last fall.

Hey, Congresswoman: the rest of the GOP already talked about this. Wake up and pay attention.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, "subterfuge" ... also called "legislation" and "funding contained in the legislation" and "general public knowledge", that has been in the bill, published, since day one, was discussed openly during the healthcare debate, discussed again before the elections in 2010 as a GOP talking point ... but Michelle Bachmann (R-BizarroWorld) finally noticed it.

Good for you, Michelle!

general public knowledge?....even the Dems didnt know what was in the bill? You need to get real. All of this wasn't discussed...how could it have been?
Politifact,Factcheck and WaPo are in on the fix,huh? Sheesh

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Riot

This isn't even a conservative talking point, this is only a Michelle-Bachmann-BizzaroWorld-some of the Tea Party talking point

So to see her yapping on to David Gregory on Meet The Press like she discovered something new and secret (that had been in the open for ... um, months now) was simply hilarious.

It does prove that not only did Bachmann and staff not bother to read the healthcare bill before it passed, they haven't looked at it since, they paid no attention whatsoever to these very GOP talking points about it when it was passed, nor did she pay attention to this very issue when the GOP brought it up during the election cycle last fall.

Hey, Congresswoman: the rest of the GOP already talked about this. Wake up and pay attention.

myopic vision....hates Republicans!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

general public knowledge?....even the Dems didnt know what was in the bill? You need to get real. All of this wasn't discussed...how could it have been?
Politifact,Factcheck and WaPo are in on the fix,huh? Sheesh

No, Timmi. This was discussed back when the GOP wanted to try and defund health care as a campaign threat (that the majority of the funding was contained within the bill) It was discussed back when the bill was being debated, and the CBO scored the final version of the bill.

Bachmann is an idiot.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

myopic vision....hates Republicans!

No. I hate stupidity, and Congresswoman Michelle Bachmann is the poster child for that.

[SOREHOOF]

Our Govt. borrowing 43 cents of every dollar they spend is stupidity. And they spend a lot of dollars.

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

myopic vision....hates Republicans!

I hate Walker
I hate Bachmann
I hate Palin
I hate Boehner
I hate Cantor
I hate Fox
I hate GOP
I hate the Tea Party


Walker lied
Bachmann lied
Palin lied
Boehner lied
Cantor lied
Tea Party lied
GOP Lied
Fox lied


I am smart
You are stupid

Gov can save us
You are stupid

DEM's are smart
You are stupid

Raise taxes on rich
You are stupid

Raise taxes on Corporations
You are stupid

Unions are the answer
You are stupid

I speak only the truth
You are stupid

Huffington Post
Huffington Post
Huffington Post
Huffington Post

Disagree with Obama
You are a racist

I am good
You are stupid



that about sums it up......

[Riot]

Originally Posted by geeker2

that about sums it up......

If you're talking about me, you got virtually all of that wrong. But hey, I know you love to cling to your uninformed little prejudices and assumptions

[Riot]

Politifact.com on Bachmann's "slush fund" accusation (Timmi, ever consider your blogger that you quoted is withholding facts from you?)

Rated: "Barely true" and "not secret":

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...bill-spent-10/

Steve Ellis of the nonpartisan Taxpayers for Common Sense said it was no secret: the Congressional Budget Office -- Congress’ nonpartisan budget-analysis agency -- extensively detailed the spending in the bill.

"I’m not saying that everybody knew everything that was in the health care bill, because it’s almost impossible to do that. But it was documented that the money was in there," Ellis said. "Shame on them if they didn’t know that."

We asked experts in federal budgeting whether the health care bill’s use of appropriations in an authorizing bill was unusual. They said it was not.

"Congress has routinely provided appropriations in authorization bills, for multiple years of availability, and has also routinely transferred funds from one account to another," said Roy T. Meyers, a former CBO analyst and now a political scientist at the University of Maryland at Baltimore County.

We should also note that versions of the health care law were posted to the Internet for 72 hours before a vote was held. That’s not a lot of time, but it’s far from a secret process, said Gabriela Schneider of the Sunlight Foundation, a nonprofit that urges greater government openness and transparency.

"At the time, we commended Congress for taking an unprecedented step and Speaker Pelosi for making sure every version of the health care bill was posted online 72 hours before consideration," she said.

Washington Post FactCheck
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...7GRP_blog.html

While Bachmann in her television appearances echoed Istook’s argument that Obama “tied the hands of Congress,” her main points have been that “this money was broken up, hidden in various parts of the bill” — something akin to a “slush fund” — and that it was done “secretly, unbeknownst to members of Congress.” This is bordering on ridiculous.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

If you're talking about me, you got virtually all of that wrong. But hey, I know you love to cling to your uninformed little prejudices and assumptions

Two words sum you up best.

JIMMY CARTER

[Danzig]

http://factcheck.org/2011/03/no-secr...gets-it-wrong/

Browse > Home / The FactCheck Wire / No Secret: Bachmann Gets It Wrong
No Secret: Bachmann Gets It Wrong
March 8, 2011
Rep. Michele Bachmann’s claim that Democrats "secretly" hid $105 billion in health care spending is way off base. It’s true that the new health care law contains many billions in future spending, but there was no secret about that.

The Minnesota Republican told "Meet the Press" host David Gregory that "secretly, unbeknownst to members of Congress, over $105 billion was hidden in the Obamacare legislation to fund the implementation of Obamacare." But the truth is that much, if not all, of that money was well known before Congress voted on the bill — a fact that drew the wrath of Bachmann’s colleagues, including Sen. Thad Cochran, the ranking Republican on the Senate Appropriations Committee.

The health care law, for example, mandates funding for these big-ticket items that were much debated and discussed prior to the final vote:

■$40 billion to fund the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) in fiscal years 2014 and 2015. Congressional authorization of CHIP was due to expire at the end of fiscal year 2013, but the health care law extended it for two years.

■$11 billion over five years for community health care centers, a figure that was arrived at when President Barack Obama publicly proposed a compromise between the $7 billion in the Senate bill and the $12 billion in the House version.

■$5 billion in one-time funding to create a temporary high-risk pool for people with preexisting conditions until a law can take effect banning insurance companies from refusing to cover such individuals.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Two words sum you up best.

JIMMY CARTER

Yeah, that makes alot of sense ... drinking again, Dell?