Wait On That Abortion

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I would love to adopt but I dont even think I can do that being gay and living in Florida.

There's no legal reason you can't adopt a child, Antitrust; Florida's law against letting gay men and women adopt was struck down as unconstitutional last year. It's perfectly legal for you to adopt a child in Florida.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Here are some unbiased sources for general stats on who is getting abortions and their reasons why (note: though it doesn't say so, we can safely assume 100 % of the people choosing induced abortion are female):

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html

And on pregnancy rates in young women:

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/USTPtrends.pdf

So, the way I read that, the pregnancy rate dropped to an all time low among 15-19 yr olds in 2005 but raised a bit in 2006. Glad I prefaced my remarks by admitting it was based on my limited experience, guess I need to get out more to see a larger sample...just seems like there are so many young mothers.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

So, the way I read that, the pregnancy rate dropped to an all time low among 15-19 yr olds in 2005 but raised a bit in 2006. Glad I prefaced my remarks by admitting it was based on my limited experience, guess I need to get out more to see a larger sample...just seems like there are so many young mothers.

Much as I love Twain's famous quote about Disraeli calling the three kinds of lies, "Lies, damn lies and statistics" it is actually an important math and one I wish more Americans, myself included, understood better, because it would be less easy for the media to get away with distorting findings.

The Guttmacher report also notes that while they cite abortion rates jumping considerably after 1973, that they only counted legal abortions in the years prior, as, I assume, there was no way to accurately count illegal ones. Duh, but I appreciate them saying it.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Not to be picky but aren't you saying that your view puts you in the position of judging which people will live and die, granting less rights to one life than another?

See my explaination within my answer. I hardly think my answer can be put into "one view" status.

Not that animals have anything remotely to do with humans, of course, but I will readily spay dogs and cats within 3-4 weeks of their being bred and suspected to be probably pregnant, and I adamantly refuse to spay animals within 4 weeks of their due date. I do not find that position medically ethically or logically incompatible in the least.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I'm not having a political conversation with you when you already pegged me as getting all my info from "right wing sources". You couldnt be farther from the truth. Shoot, I'd rather get into a Muslim debate with Riot

You read DailyKos?

BTW, being gay does not mean you can't adopt, or choose to have your own child!, and be a parent.

[Honu]

I have often wondered how people feel that are reckless and get preggo and give a baby up for some other person to raise. Be responsible for your actions you made it you have it, take care of it, Im sure if you cant afford it our welfare program will help you.
This whole debate is just stupid, if you insert your penis in someone there is a chance you may inpregnate them if they are a woman. Women if you let a man inject there penis you may become pregnant. Simple. Yet still stupid that people that dont want to have babies still have them. Wise up fu ck n, hell, it isnt rocket science.
Again I say to save the whole human race the anguish and debate of abortion, just implant babies when they are born so they cant 1. Have a baby and give it away because they arent able to raise it. 2 The earth doesnt need anymore people, we need less consuming the resources. 3 To save the parents and person who is a woman all the crap of having to deal with the moral issue of abortion.
No matter what anyone says women have regrets about killing non humans, just ask anybody who has done it and they will tell you YES I have thought about the non life that I snuffed out.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Riot

See my explaination within my answer. I hardly think my answer can be put into "one view" status.

Not that animals have anything remotely to do with humans, of course, but I will readily spay dogs and cats within 3-4 weeks of their being bred and suspected to be probably pregnant, and I adamantly refuse to spay animals within 4 weeks of their due date. I do not find that position medically ethically or logically incompatible in the least.

Well, this is an individual thing of course but witches believe that animals, like humans, have souls...so to me, I see little difference. Your logic doesn't apply to my beliefs, same with you ethical conclusion. Perhaps that's why I see this as an "either/or" situation.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Well, this is an individual thing of course but witches believe that animals, like humans, have souls...so to me, I see little difference. Your logic doesn't apply to my beliefs, same with you ethical conclusion. Perhaps that's why I see this as an "either/or" situation.

I think animals have souls, too. And that has everything to do with the ethical decisions I make for my patients, and why I advocate for the patient to or over the owner. So your either/or logic doesn't apply to my real world of having to actually make and carry out those sorts of decisions on real souls sitting in front of me.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Riot

I think animals have souls, too. And that has everything to do with the ethical decisions I make for my patients, and why I advocate for the patient to or over the owner. So your either/or logic doesn't apply to my real world of having to actually make and carry out those sorts of decisions on real souls sitting in front of me.

Years of working in nursing homes dealing with end of life decisions is part of the real world too. I still relegate the issue to either/or as it kept me sane (at least I think it did). We all deal with our reality in different ways.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

You read DailyKos?

BTW, being gay does not mean you can't adopt, or choose to have your own child!, and be a parent.

really all cnn.

yeah I know the bottom part, I just thought that Florida had a rule (like Arkansas) that gays cannot adopt. Genuine Risk pointed out that it had been overturned last year (thank goodness).

I'll be a parent one day.. I'd rather not do it alone and I'm not ready to commit to a forever long relationship yet (still want to travel around the world for a few years).

[Danzig]

i think the ark law was overturned. i know there was a challenge, and i believe that was the result.

[Danzig]

http://arkansasnews.com/2010/04/16/j...-adoption-ban/