Weekend Stakes Beyers

[Kasept]

HOL CashCall Futurity (G1): Liaison 90 (Indian Charlie) B. Baffert/R. Bejarano
HOL On Trust H: Mensa Heat 97 (Unusual Heat) T. West/J. Talamo

GP Dania Beach S: Summer Front 86 (War Front) C. Clement/R. Dominguez
GP Harlan's Holiday S: Trickmeister 96 (Proud Citizen) R. Dutrow/J. Castellano
GP OC/ALW (3+): Adios Charlie 96 (Indian Charlie) Hough/Castellano
GP OC/ALW (2yo): Algorithms 91 (Bernardini) Pletcher/Castellano
GP MSW (2yo-F): Ciao Bella 76 (Giant's Causeway) Pletcher/Velazquez

AQU Gravesend H: Frazil 94 (The Cliff's Edge) L. Rice/C. Velasquez
AQU Let Me Linger S: Tiz the Argument 94 (Closing Argument) R. Dutrow/R. Curatolo
AQU Flying Chevron S: San Pablo 94 (Jump Start) T. Pletcher/C. Velasquez

FG Blushing K. D. H: Cherokee Queen 85 (Cherokee Run) S. Margolis/S. Bridgmohan
FG Bonapaw S: Chamberlain Bridge 97 (War Chant) W. Calhoun/J. Theriot
FG Tenacious H: Fast Alex 100 (Afleet Alex) G. Geier/R. Albarado
FG Sugar Bowl S: Exfactor 82 (Exchange Rate) B. Flint/S. Bridgmohan
FG Letellier Memorial S: Good Deed 85 (Broken Vow) S. Margolis/C. Lanerie

GG Pacific Heights S: Antares World 84 (Decarchy) S. Specht/F. Alvarado

TP Prairie Bayou S: Proceed Bee 89 (Bernstein) S. Becker/R. Prescott

LRL MD Juv. Filly Championship S: Plum 60 (Pure Prize) R. Jenkins/T. Dunkelberger
LRL MD Juv. Championship S: King and Crusader 75 (Lion Heart) R. Dutrow/V. Santiago

Algorithms had an impressive race.

[golfer]

VERY impressed with Ciao Bella's debut. Not a ton of firsters can overcome the poor start and being checked early. The way she moved between horses, and won so easily was something to see.

If she can stay away from Liver issues, she may be something special.

[Kasept]

The MDN winner that went a bit unnoticed over the weekend was Margolis' Cherry homebred RADIANT TALENT.

89 Beyer over what might turn out to be an ok group.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Algorithms had an impressive race.

Pletcher's horses always run well in sunny Florida

Of course. It was still an impressive performance.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by golfer

VERY impressed with Ciao Bella's debut. Not a ton of firsters can overcome the poor start and being checked early. The way she moved between horses, and won so easily was something to see.

If she can stay away from Liver issues, she may be something special.

Agree completely Seth.. The runner up out of that race is going to be a very nice one as well... brutal trip first and not the best of ones yesterday either - still comes like a charge to salvage place money... Not quite in the same league as Ciao Bella, but very nice.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Kasept

The MDN winner that went a bit unnoticed over the weekend was Margolis' Cherry homebred RADIANT TALENT.

89 Beyer over what might turn out to be an ok group.

I thought Margolis' Good Deed (85 Beyer) was also very impressive. . . ever since she took all that money at Saratoga and didn't run a step she's been unstoppable. Think her pedigree on the bottom and the way she runs means she won't be able to stretch out, though.

[cmorioles]

There isn't a lot to go on, but personally I'm giving Trickmeister better than a 96 by three or four lengths.

[Seattleallstar]

I remember the good ol days when Futurity runners ran between a 95-100 Beyer

[my miss storm cat]

I have two questions... the one I want to ask every week and never do and now something else.

I'm not understanding the TBD here. I mean I know what it stands for but why is it even there? What exactly is it that needs to be determined days after the race?

Originally Posted by Kasept

FG Letellier Memorial S: Good Deed TBD (85) (Broken Vow) S. Margolis/C. Lanerie

The question I always want to ask is this... obviously Mr. Beyer hasn't been around for the hundred and some odd years that drf has.

What did they use before Beyer? Was there just no such thing as speed figures (maybe I should know this but I don't. Did he come up with them or refine and improve them)?

[robfla]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

I have two questions... the one I want to ask every week and never do and now something else.

I'm not understanding the TBD here. I mean I know what it stands for but why is it even there? What exactly is it that needs to be determined days after the race?



The question I always want to ask is this... obviously Mr. Beyer hasn't been around for the hundred and some odd years that drf has.

What did they use before Beyer? Was there just no such thing as speed figures (maybe I should know this but I don't. Did he come up with them or refine and improve them)?

on DRF the two numbers after the horses odds on the running line are a variety of speed figure and have been there for as long as I can remember


They are there now. They were there pre-Beyer
example 87-17

[Kasept]

It can take 24-72 hours for Beyer Associates to make the figures. In this case; I just haven't had a chance to plug in the number.

The pre-Beyer old style figures in the Form are the Speed Rating/Track Variant.

[my miss storm cat]

Thanks guys. Still confused but maybe that's just me.

King tried to explain things like splitting the variant to me a couple of years ago and I just have such a problem understanding...

One of you should write an idiots guide to speed figs.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

I have two questions... the one I want to ask every week and never do and now something else.

I'm not understanding the TBD here. I mean I know what it stands for but why is it even there? What exactly is it that needs to be determined days after the race?



The question I always want to ask is this... obviously Mr. Beyer hasn't been around for the hundred and some odd years that drf has.

What did they use before Beyer? Was there just no such thing as speed figures (maybe I should know this but I don't. Did he come up with them or refine and improve them)?

I think Steve usually posts these on Monday and the TBD'S are from the Sunday stakes in most cases and just haven't been published yet.

People who did their own figures before Beyer's were published had a big advantage. Before Beyer's I don't believe there were reliable speed figures in the DRF.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by 3kings

I think Steve usually posts these on Monday and the TBD'S are from the Sunday stakes in most cases and just haven't been published yet.

People who did their own figures before Beyer's were published had a big advantage. Before Beyer's I don't believe there were reliable speed figures in the DRF.

Do you know, off the top of your head, when they started (publishing them in drf)?

[3kings]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Do you know, off the top of your head, when they started (publishing them in drf)?

I just googled it,1991.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by 3kings

I just googled it,1991.

Thank you Sir... I'm doing too many things at once and figured I'd just be lazy and ask you.

Honestly though... someone needs to break it down for people like me who aren't special but who just have a very hard time understanding it for whatever reason.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by 3kings

I just googled it,1991.

That doesn't seem right. I believe they debuted in the Racing Times in 1991, and the form didn't get them until at least 1992.

[robfla]

in 1992 the Daily Racing Form began incorporating Beyer Speed Figures in a horse's past performances