Matt Ice Flynn

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

That is an assumption until you'd actually see the Saints without Brees.

MVP awards are mostly dumb and both are deserving, but I'd give it to Rodgers.

It is an assumption, true.
I am not taking anything away from Rodgers or the season he had. I have just always felt the MVP is based around the value to his team and what they would be without him. A season where you destroy a long standing passing record should be recognized though and since they are not winning the Superbowl, MVP should be his consolation prize.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

It is an assumption, true.
I am not taking anything away from Rodgers or the season he had. I have just always felt the MVP is based around the value to his team and what they would be without him. A season where you destroy a long standing passing record should be recognized though and since they are not winning the Superbowl, MVP should be his consolation prize.

Why do you think NO doesn't have a shot to win the superbowl? They should be able to tear thru the lions and then they should be able to beat an overated SF team thus getting them to the NFC championship and anything could happen. The fact that Brees broke that record in today's NFL is a little overblown. CB's can't play like they used to and the NFL is a passing league right now. Also I believe the passing record will be recognized with his name on it. The MVP award isn't for the QB with the most passing yards.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Why do you think NO doesn't have a shot to win the superbowl? They should be able to tear thru the lions and then they should be able to beat an overated SF team thus getting them to the NFC championship and anything could happen. The fact that Brees broke that record in today's NFL is a little overblown. CB's can't play like they used to and the NFL is a passing league right now. Also I believe the passing record will be recognized with his name on it. The MVP award isn't for the QB with the most passing yards.

I have NO at 9-1 in Vegas, that is why I took there shot away! Actually I just think they have no shot in GB.
I get what the MVP is for and I stand by Brees based on what I think they would be without him.
The fact that neither Brady or Manning had broken the record before also says a lot about what he did this year.

[dagolfer33]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Brees has 8 more turnovers than Rodgers. Brees has more yards, but far more attempts as well. Rodgers leads in passer rating and yards per attempt. Running game is much better in NO than it is in GB. Brees has only one more TD than Rodgers but played in one more game. Rodgers beat Brees. Your argument for Brees as MVP is that Matt Flynn had a career game against a terrible/overated Detroit Lions team in a meaningless game. To me there is only one award that matters and it is not who is MVP, but Rodgers should win the MVP.

I watched the game......looked like both teams quit to me.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by dagolfer33

I watched the game......looked like both teams quit to me.

They both knew there was a chance ( slight) that they would meet in the playoffs so both D's were pretty "vanilla' throughout.

[Danzig]

i read an interesting point of view about matt flynn and his chances with another team. guy said that flynn will go to a bad team, and then the owner, coaches, fans will wonder why he can't duplicate his previous feats from when he was with a good team. we all know a good team can make a good qb. and of course no matter how good a qb is, if he hasn't got a good line to block and give him time, then he's going to get pummeled.
i have high hopes for sam bradford-but i'm not sure he can stand up to all that punishment long enough to be around for some good teammates.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by dagolfer33

I watched the game......looked like both teams quit to me.

Nobody said either team quit, but if the game actually mattered Matt Flynn would have been holding a clip board

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by 3kings

Hernandez & Gronkowski are mediocre.

where would they be without Brady ? when the Pats drafted them last year was there some big celebration about the 2 new Star can't miss Tight Ends we just drafted ? I think Brady has a lot to do with their success. Branch, Patton and a few others didn't do jack without Tom Terrific.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

where would they be without Brady ? when the Pats drafted them last year was there some big celebration about the 2 new Star can't miss Tight Ends we just drafted ? I think Brady has a lot to do with their success. Branch, Patton and a few others didn't do jack without Tom Terrific.

no offense but Gronk would be a pro bowler on most teams who have a half way decent offense.

and yeah, when you take a TE early in the 2nd round, there are high expectations.