I liked Ike..

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Not many in today's GOP are much like Ike.


Editor, Times-Dispatch.

As we approach the March 28 anniversary of President Dwight Eisenhower's death, I am reminded of an honorable man whose policy decisions were based on common sense. Today's Republicans bear little resemblance to the 34th president.

Eisenhower, an immensely popular Republican president, launched the Interstate Highway System — the most expensive taxpayer-funded project in our history. Eisenhower rightly viewed the massive project as vital to our nation's economic future. Today's Republicans would dismiss such a project as socialist-inspired government waste.

Eisenhower also resisted a knee-jerk response when Soviet troops rolled into Hungary in 1956 to put down an anti-communist, democratic revolt. He knew that Eastern Europe was not in our sphere of influence and not vital to national security. Contrast that with today's trigger-happy Republicans who believe countries in the heart of Islam can be manipulated through military action to align with our interests.

Finally, in Eisenhower's retirement speech the former five-star general warned that, "In the councils of government we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex." Today's Republicans would view such language as unpatriotic while they routinely cave to the very negative influences of which Eisenhower warned.

In the future, I will be voting for the most Eisenhower-like candidates for president — and the irony is, they won't be Republicans.

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'Contrast that with today's trigger-happy Republicans who believe countries in the heart of Islam can be manipulated through military action to align with our interests.'


the vote was 98-0 in the Senate, and 420-1 in the House to

'authorize then-president George W. Bush “to use all necessary and appropriate force” against anyone he held responsible for the 9/11 attacks on New York’s World Trade Center and the Pentagon.'

i know fans of democrats like to point fingers only at their gop buddies, but it's simply false. unless of course you can show that those numbers above were exclusively republicans in congress? i don't think that's the case.

[Riot]

Do you have a link to the whole editorial?

Ike was well-admired, and to plenty of Democrats, too: that was before the massive Dem-GOP change in the south that Lyndon caused by the Civil Rights Act. Ike was a model for the Republicanism I was taught and grew up with.

Ike wouldn't be accepted in the current incarnation of the Republican Party at all. Either would Reagan, though. Reagan doesn't even meet the current GOP Candidate Purity Test (and yes, that's a real thing that the GOP has)

I'm waiting to see what happens to the current GOP. The old party regulars want to retake the party from the wingnuts-John Birchers for 2016, certainly.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Danzig

'Contrast that with today's trigger-happy Republicans who believe countries in the heart of Islam can be manipulated through military action to align with our interests.'


the vote was 98-0 in the Senate, and 420-1 in the House to

'authorize then-president George W. Bush “to use all necessary and appropriate force” against anyone he held responsible for the 9/11 attacks on New York’s World Trade Center and the Pentagon.'

i know fans of democrats like to point fingers only at their gop buddies, but it's simply false. unless of course you can show that those numbers above were exclusively republicans in congress? i don't think that's the case.

You forget that the dumbest President in history fooled everyone with his lies...

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

You forget that the dumbest President in history fooled everyone with his lies...

oh, he's not on my list of smart guys by any means. i think it's a dead heat between him and carter for worst president in my lifetime. worst ever? yeah, there've been some doozies, but he could be. funny/sad thing is that so much of bush's 'stupid' has been continued by the present group, both obama and his admin and congress. we're still over there spending money like mad, while still continuing the tax cuts-all put into place by the previous 'leaders'.
thing is, some in congress are privy to much of the same info as the president. was there some snookering? maybe-or maybe not. maybe that's just an alibi for some.
and yet, over ten years later....where are we? still continuing those same bush/congress screw ups. why? why are we continuing bad moves? it hasn't gotten better, nor will it. but we're still in that 'war' (never declared mind you), still spending money we don't have, going deeper in debt, with not only a continuation of bush and co's rotten patriot act (with none of the promised changes) but with more bad moves piled on top (ndaa, killing of u.s. citizens without due process), and all the tax breaks instituted previously have been continued. to what end?
but republicans want you to think they can fix it. democrats want you to vote them in, or keep them in because they can fix it. they're all full of sh!t. and we're all the creamy center getting crushed between the two kooks...er, cookies.

obama fans still think he's soooo great-based on what? he's a liar. just like all the rest. has gitmo been closed? has he had the patriot act repaired or repealed? nope. but his AG is the one saying that u.s. citizens can be murdered by their govt. yeah, he's miles better than ol' georgie who didn't reach quite that far, did he?

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Originally Posted by Danzig

'Contrast that with today's trigger-happy Republicans who believe countries in the heart of Islam can be manipulated through military action to align with our interests.'


the vote was 98-0 in the Senate, and 420-1 in the House to

'authorize then-president George W. Bush “to use all necessary and appropriate force” against anyone he held responsible for the 9/11 attacks on New York’s World Trade Center and the Pentagon.'

i know fans of democrats like to point fingers only at their gop buddies, but it's simply false. unless of course you can show that those numbers above were exclusively republicans in congress? i don't think that's the case.

Shoot i would have voted yea when presented with the 'facts' given at the time...as we all found out later all the 'reasons' were a pack of complete lies by the Bush war mongers...

Let me post my favorite quote on the subject...


'When Bush stood with his arm around a NY fireman after the 9/11 attacks promising to find whoever did this to the nation, he was every American's president. His polls soared. He had a unique opportunity to unite America, to bring the U.S. together with allies round the world to fight terrorism and hate, to eliminate al-Qaida, to eliminate our vulnerabilities, to strengthen important nations threatened by radicalism. He did NONE of those things..He invaded Iraq!....excerpt from Richard Clarke's book..

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Originally Posted by Riot

Do you have a link to the whole editorial?

Ike was well-admired, and to plenty of Democrats, too: that was before the massive Dem-GOP change in the south that Lyndon caused by the Civil Rights Act. Ike was a model for the Republicanism I was taught and grew up with.

Ike wouldn't be accepted in the current incarnation of the Republican Party at all. Either would Reagan, though. Reagan doesn't even meet the current GOP Candidate Purity Test (and yes, that's a real thing that the GOP has)

I'm waiting to see what happens to the current GOP. The old party regulars want to retake the party from the wingnuts-John Birchers for 2016, certainly.

Sorry, i failed to show that as a 'letter' to the editor..that was the complete letter that earned Correspondence of the Day...

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by bigrun

Shoot i would have voted yea when presented with the 'facts' given at the time...as we all found out later all the 'reasons' were a pack of complete lies by the Bush war mongers...

Let me post my favorite quote on the subject...


'When Bush stood with his arm around a NY fireman after the 9/11 attacks promising to find whoever did this to the nation, he was every American's president. His polls soared. He had a unique opportunity to unite America, to bring the U.S. together with allies round the world to fight terrorism and hate, to eliminate al-Qaida, to eliminate our vulnerabilities, to strengthen important nations threatened by radicalism. He did NONE of those things..He invaded Iraq!....excerpt from Richard Clarke's book..

i understand what happened back then. i also know we've done nothing but add to the mistakes since. my point was and is that the democrats and their supporters are being disingenuous when trying to lay these two pseudo-wars only at the feet of bush and the republicans, while denying all culpability and claiming they were mislead. so, what's happened in the ten years since to rectify the mistakes made? nothing.
and yes, bush blew it-with the full support of congress, both democrats and republicans then and since then. throwing more and more men and money away on the mistakes made over a decade ago.


oh, and i liked ike. helluva general.

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also, keep in mind that there were plenty of senators and house members who voted NO on whether to invade iraq. they took a lot of heat for that at the time. i think people get confused that the overwhelming first vote to do what we must gets all the press, but there were plenty of voices against invading iraq. problem is, they didn't get listened to. the ones who voted yes then claimed they were lied to-but what about all the nays? did they not get lied to?
or maybe the lying was just an excuse later?

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i understand what happened back then. i also know we've done nothing but add to the mistakes since. my point was and is that the democrats and their supporters are being disingenuous when trying to lay these two pseudo-wars only at the feet of bush and the republicans, while denying all culpability and claiming they were mislead. so, what's happened in the ten years since to rectify the mistakes made? nothing.
and yes, bush blew it-with the full support of congress, both democrats and republicans then and since then. throwing more and more men and money away on the mistakes made over a decade ago.


oh, and i liked ike. helluva general.

I agree we've done nothing to fix anything...but if not at Bush's feet, who's?
I know, get over it!...I can't, since March-03 i've suffered from anti-Bush syndrome...Said 1000 times, in and out of Afgan in one year, kill bin laden and route the Taliban...game over...but no, Bush already planning invasion of a sovereign country for reasons of his own...No Iraq, no fuked up country..oh and no black President...Oh, and 15 of 19 911 terrorists were Saudis, why didn't we invade them?...Maybe he was too busy kissing Saudi asz....Obama won't/can't fix schit.. Even JC would throw up his hands...
We like war and if you have brown people we are gonna bomb the schit out of you---George Carlin..

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Originally Posted by bigrun

I agree we've done nothing to fix anything...but if not at Bush's feet, who's?
I know, get over it!...I can't, since March-03 i've suffered from anti-Bush syndrome...Said 1000 times, in and out of Afgan in one year, kill bin laden and route the Taliban...game over...but no, Bush already planning invasion of a sovereign country for reasons of his own...No Iraq, no fuked up country..oh and no black President...Oh, and 15 of 19 911 terrorists were Saudis, why didn't we invade them?...Maybe he was too busy kissing Saudi asz....Obama won't/can't fix schit.. Even JC would throw up his hands...
We like war and if you have brown people we are gonna bomb the schit out of you---George Carlin..

i'm not saying don't place blame on bush. what i'm saying is that the next ten years aren't just bush's fault. and i'm not saying get over it, i don't think anyone should. but i think it's a mistake to continue a bad policy-and we don't have to. but here we are.

it's no more all bush's fault than it is all obama's fault. it's our govt's fault. both parties, all the 'leaders'. look at the report that came out a few months ago that showed what group of people has made money during all this economic turmoil. the federals! members of congress, etc.