Obama - good for Americans

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by geeker2

Hey I am not pi$$ing Chuck off - he trains our horses.


As far as the thread - I think it lost it's focus a few pages ago...but your response was truthful and for that Morty will PM you a picture of his (_!_).

i fell for the cheese. next time i will know better.

Anyway, you guys watching this game?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

yes dala conspiracy. I want to hide op eds from WSJ.

Get ready for that tax plan big boy. Just a few months away.

I will open up an office in Dubai. What exactly in that piece isnt true? And you know that there is no way you are clicking that link if i dont hide it. Did you at least read it?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I will open up an office in Dubai. What exactly in that piece isnt true? And you know that there is no way you are clicking that link if i dont hide it. Did you at least read it?

Chuck, you are an excellent horseman and i appreciate the ability to interact with you on all topics. You are indeed knowledgeable and i would consider it an honor if i could some day see your barn.

Sports my friend. lets talk sports. Im bored with politics.

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

i fell for the cheese. next time i will know better.

Anyway, you guys watching this game?

I think the saying is you took the cheese not fell for the cheese...I don't think you can fall for the cheese.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by geeker2

I think the saying is you took the cheese not fell for the cheese...I don't think you can fall for the cheese.

The cheese stands alone.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Not that I am a hige country fan but dont you promote rap artists?

No, I don't have any of them. I think you're talkin' about the half Turk-half Black guy. He does mainly RnB,or pop RNB. He has good natural tone, but poor range(means he needs to embrace pop more than he does.) He has various issues. Should sing easier songs.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Nah, waste of time. None of us know ****.

well you were the one who suggested negotiating with our enemies. i would guess that i would not be alone in being pessimistic about the chances of this coming about sucessfully.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

No, I don't have any of them. I think you're talkin' about the half Turk-half Black guy. He does mainly RnB,or pop RNB. He has good natural tone, but poor range(means he needs to embrace pop more than he does.) He has various issues. Should sing easier songs.

Country?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Chuck, you are an excellent horseman and i appreciate the ability to interact with you on all topics. You are indeed knowledgeable and i would consider it an honor if i could some day see your barn.

Sports my friend. lets talk sports. Im bored with politics.

My barn door is always open to such a openminded and obviously intellegent person.



Mo williams is a god


Juan Pierre rules


Eli is on the take
















Morty to comment soon...

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

My barn door is always open to such a openminded and obviously intellegent person.



Mo williams is a god


Juan Pierre rules


Eli is on the take
















Morty to comment soon...

Thank you for the compliment and the invite.

i will retire from political posts until someone says something I cant resist responding to.

Juan Pierre? Killed us in the 2003 series!

[hi_im_god]

why is "he isn't bush" good enough?

i know it violates geek's completely artificial rules but when most of the country is voting democratic because the republicans hitched their wagon to a punchline the last 8 years, why do the rest of us need to explain things further?

we're electing a black guy. that's not because we're such an advanced society. and we could have elected a chick. that's how bad you f'd up.

stop lining up behind retards for most of a decade and deserving people like mccain won't get swamped.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Country?

LOL

[GPK]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Chuck, you are an excellent horseman and i appreciate the ability to interact with you on all topics. You are indeed knowledgeable and i would consider it an honor if i could some day see your barn.

Sports my friend. lets talk sports. Im bored with politics.

I'm game for that.




































How bout them 'Skins

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

why is "he isn't bush" good enough?

i know it violates geek's completely artificial rules but when most of the country is voting democratic because the republicans hitched their wagon to a punchline the last 8 years, why do the rest of us need to explain things further?

we're electing a black guy. that's not because we're such an advanced society. and we could have elected a chick. that's how bad you f'd up.

stop lining up behind retards for most of a decade and deserving people like mccain won't get swamped.

Can't say that is a thread violation.

It seems that was a common theme for a lot of the responders. The Bush hatred goes deep. No matter who ends up at the top - the severe division will unfortunately continue.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by geeker2

Can't say that is a thread violation.

It seems that was a common theme for a lot of the responders. The Bush hatred goes deep. No matter who ends up at the top - the severe division will unfortunately continue.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122393387064230201.html

This is a good piece (non partisan)

Originally Posted by Danzig

This is a thread to convince all us non believers- so let's hear all the good that Obama will do

that was geekers question. so, no, you didn't answer as apparently you have yet to convince a non-believer.

edit~personally, i was hoping for some good, worthwhile answers. i'm still undecided.

Ok.
I will try.

1. He will bring in the best advisors he possilby can. Obama has proclaimed he will not put "friends" in high places, just the best people he can find, including Republicans.

2. He is a natural leader. I believe he really believes he can make a difference. I dont believe this is just an ego trip. The job is way too tough for that. The guy has shown a penchant most for turning down bucks and actually trying to aid in public service. I really think he wants to be a public servant.

3. He is the most likely Democrat to bridge the difference between the parties. I dont think Hillary (given her hubby and the past) could be as effective at trying to make things better in this realm. The Republicans have had 8 years. It may have been very bad timing, but in this time things have not gone well. And yes change, just for the sake of change, can be good. I thought this was part of the idea of having term limits.

4. Obama has a history of being very pragmatic. If a consensus and logic convinces him that deep tax hikes on large companies would not be good, he will not do it. His history indicates he tries very hard to seek a consensus and does not really rely on his gut instincts to do things. He apparently is a very good listener. And he wants a variety of opinions, imo. I do not think he is bullheaded and inflexible.

As far as the real issues.
1. Obama will not be able to fix Health care. No one will in 4 years.
2. He will probably continue the same sort of policy as Bush in Iraq with the exception of trying to move more troops out of Iraq and into Afghanistan with rapidity. He will be told he cannot just pull out of Iraq. He knows this.
3. The economy I dont believe can really be turned by any single President quickly. So what McCain proposes v. what Obama proposes will not make a huge difference in the short run.

And here is what I believe to be the sad part: If he was actually beaten by McCain at this point (ie being significantly ahead; no modern day president has lost with this much of a lead in the polls), it would be interpreted by many to be America just could not handle a black guy being president. Look how many lied to the pollsters. Right or wrong, it would create a great deal of suspicion.

The goal of both candidates right now is to get elected. What they present to the masses will not dictate what they will actually be required to do when if office. Obama will piss off a good number of liberal Democrats just like McCain would have with Republicans.

Way too much crapola.
Sorry Morty and Pants if ... nah they wont read it thru
as most will not.
I dont blame em.

When she visits be sure to grind her body parts up and feed them to sumwonlovesu.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

When she visits be sure to grind her body parts up and feed them to sumwonlovesu.

Thebby has turned her into a vegan but Hank will eat anything

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Ok.
I will try.

1. He will bring in the best advisors he possilby can. Obama has proclaimed he will not put "friends" in high places, just the best people he can find, including Republicans.

2. He is a natural leader. I believe he really believes he can make a difference. I dont believe this is just an ego trip. The job is way too tough for that. The guy has shown a penchant most for turning down bucks and actually trying to aid in public service. I really think he wants to be a public servant.

3. He is the most likely Democrat to bridge the difference between the parties. I dont think Hillary (given her hubby and the past) could be as effective at trying to make things better in this realm. The Republicans have had 8 years. It may have been very bad timing, but in this time things have not gone well. And yes change, just for the sake of change, can be good. I thought this was part of the idea of having term limits.

4. Obama has a history of being very pragmatic. If a consensus and logic convinces him that deep tax hikes on large companies would not be good, he will not do it. His history indicates he tries very hard to seek a consensus and does not really rely on his gut instincts to do things. He apparently is a very good listener. And he wants a variety of opinions, imo. I do not think he is bullheaded and inflexible.

As far as the real issues.
1. Obama will not be able to fix Health care. No one will in 4 years.
2. He will probably continue the same sort of policy as Bush in Iraq with the exception of trying to move more troops out of Iraq and into Afghanistan with rapidity. He will be told he cannot just pull out of Iraq. He knows this.
3. The economy I dont believe can really be turned by any single President quickly. So what McCain proposes v. what Obama proposes will not make a huge difference in the short run.

And here is what I believe to be the sad part: If he was actually beaten by McCain at this point (ie being significantly ahead; no modern day president has lost with this much of a lead in the polls), it would be interpreted by many to be America just could not handle a black guy being president. Look how many lied to the pollsters. Right or wrong, it would create a great deal of suspicion.

The goal of both candidates right now is to get elected. What they present to the masses will not dictate what they will actually be required to do when if office. Obama will piss off a good number of liberal Democrats just like McCain would have with Republicans.

Way too much crapola.
Sorry Morty and Pants if ... nah they wont read it thru
as most will not.
I dont blame em.

Thanks pgardn ... that was a good post

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122393387064230201.html

This is a good piece (non partisan)

it's ugly.

i like mccain. i cast a meaningless vote for him the 2000 california primary well after bush had locked up the nomination.

i think this is the price we pay as a nation for the lee atwater/karl rove lie to the easily deceived style of politics.

the fact that it's going to turn around and cost them a few more senate, house and state legislative seats does give me a nice sense of schadenfreude. i admit to that character flaw.

i try not to think about how different things could be if mccain hadn't been smeared in s carolina. or if people weren't so f'in stupid they buy crap like mccain had a black child out of wedlock or obama was a muslim.

i despair for a country where the short term political benefit of such lies makes smart people tell them to idiotic sheep.