Obama's support for Ground Zero Mosque

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

You being able to post on Nerdy Trail is wrong.


If I ever win the lotto.. I'm going to buy you a one way ticket to Iran. You can be with your peeps there. I give you my word that you will get this gift if I ever strike it rich.

You'll just have to put on your big girl pants and suffer. Life is so unfair to you. Poor unhappy you.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

No one is arguing the premise of religious freedom. But simply asked, "Why there."

Because the Muslim population of that mosque predates the building of the World Trade Center. There are other mosques near WTC site. Because these Americans live and work and pray in their neighborhood, a neighborhood that was blown to bits by terrorists on 9-11. Because they've been in that location forever - which nobody cared about until the right wing whackjobs decided to scream DEATH TO AMERICA OHMYGAWD THE EVIL MUSLIMS - and they simply want to update and expand a building that is already an integral part of the community. They are already there, and have been there.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

You'll just have to put on your big girl pants and suffer. Life is so unfair to you. Poor unhappy you.

Gotta love it especially what you did is what you accused Chuck of doing which he didn't!

Bravo

JC* would be proud



*Jimmy Carter idiots not Jesus Christ

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Because of drug dealers, not Christians.

Most of Mexico is Catholic. Including the drug dealers.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Because the Muslim population of that mosque predates the building of the World Trade Center. There are other mosques near WTC site. Because these Americans live and work and pray in their neighborhood, a neighborhood that was blown to bits by terrorists on 9-11. Because they've been in that location forever - which nobody cared about until the right wing whackjobs decided to scream DEATH TO AMERICA OHMYGAWD THE EVIL MUSLIMS - and they simply want to update and expand a building that is already an integral part of the community. They are already there, and have been there.

Then why build a second mosque. Why not say we respect our neighbors and we'll expand?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Most of Mexico is Catholic. Including the drug dealers.

and say prayers while they're dealing?

Knock knock reality calling!!!!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Gotta love it especially what you did is what you accused Chuck of doing which he didn't!

Bravo

JC* would be proud



*Jimmy Carter idiots not Jesus Christ

No, Dell, I did not do what I accused Chuck of doing. I said Chuck was being disingenuous (and yes, he was). Lori is just a yapping internet troll.

[hi_im_god]

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article...ATE/100809871#

in a related story, the museum of irony opened a new exhibit on the museum of tolerance.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

There are a lot of reasons why people aren't allowed to open up shop in a location. Public input is involved. Nobody can tell them not to open a Mosque. "Where at" is another story. I find adult sex shops a hell of a lot safer than what is produced in Mosques, but sex shops can't just open up anywhere they want.

They have been praying at this very location for some years now. The "mosque" is already there. And has been.

Where was your outrage over that for the past 10 years?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

No, Dell, I did not do what I accused Chuck of doing. I said Chuck was being disingenuous (and yes, he was). Lori is just a yapping internet troll.

I'm talking about maybe 3 mos. ago. I can look it up.

It was after the stupid 'Carter and Obama get it' thing and before the stupid 'post office does a fine job' thing. You're becoming a Bible LOL

[Riot]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article...ATE/100809871#

in a related story, the museum of irony opened a new exhibit on the museum of tolerance.

The new Museum of Tolerance New York opened in the heart of Manhattan this week, citing an ambitious mission to help enlighten city residents and tourists on issues of discrimination, prejudice and social inequality.

But the museum's financial backer, the Wiesenthal Center of Los Angeles, says it cannot tolerate the planned location near Ground Zero for a mosque and Islamic community center.

Rabbi Meyer May, the Wiesenthal Center's executive director, on Thursday called the mosque's proposed location “insensitive” to the people who experienced the 9/11 attack that killed nearly 3,000 in 2001 and are still dealing with “extraordinarily painful wounds.”

We are doomed. As a country of principle, we are doomed. Some of the founding fathers feared their new republic may not be able to last.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

and say prayers while they're dealing?

Knock knock reality calling!!!!

Knock knock, reality to Dell, going to church, supporting their local church financially - and controlling the town. Murdering opposition. Making millions from drugs. Criminals are not immune from embracing the trappings of religion.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Knock knock, reality to Dell, going to church, supporting their local church financially - and controlling the town. Murdering opposition. Making millions from drugs. Criminals are not immune from embracing the trappings of religion.

so mexican drug lords are operating because of their God? Maybe to get diez virgins? Realty check twice and maybe checkmate?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

so mexican drug lords are operating because of their God? Maybe to get diez virgins? Realty check twice and maybe checkmate?

Sigh ... perhaps you could read the posts again, so you would know the context.

[Riot]

Monday, Aug 16, 2010 07:01 ET
By Justin Elliott

How the "ground zero mosque" fear mongering began

A group of progressive Muslim-Americans plans to build an Islamic community center two and a half blocks from ground zero in lower Manhattan. They have had a mosque in the same neighborhood for many years. There's another mosque two blocks away from the site. City officials support the project. Muslims have been praying at the Pentagon, the other building hit on Sept. 11, for many years.

In short, there is no good reason that the Cordoba House project should have been a major national news story, let alone controversy. And yet it has become just that, dominating the political conversation for weeks and prompting such a backlash that, according to a new poll, nearly 7 in 10 Americans now say they oppose the project. How did the Cordoba House become so toxic, so fast?

In a story last week, the New York Times, which framed the project in a largely positive, noncontroversial light last December, argued that it was cursed from the start by "public relations missteps." But this isn't accurate. To a remarkable extent, a Salon review of the origins of the story found, the controversy was kicked up and driven by Pamela Geller, a right-wing, viciously anti-Muslim, conspiracy-mongering blogger, whose sinister portrayal of the project was embraced by Rupert Murdoch's New York Post.

Here's a timeline of how it all happened:

* Dec. 8, 2009: The Times publishes a lengthy front-page look at the Cordoba project. "We want to push back against the extremists," Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, the lead organizer, is quoted as saying. Two Jewish leaders and two city officials, including the mayor's office, say they support the idea, as does the mother of a man killed on 9/11. An FBI spokesman says the imam has worked with the bureau. Besides a few third-tier right-wing blogs, including Pamela Geller's Atlas Shrugs site, no one much notices the Times story.

* Dec. 21, 2009: Conservative media personality Laura Ingraham interviews Abdul Rauf's wife, Daisy Khan, while guest-hosting "The O'Reilly Factor" on Fox. In hindsight, the segment is remarkable for its cordiality. "I can't find many people who really have a problem with it," Ingraham says of the Cordoba project, adding at the end of the interview, "I like what you're trying to do."

# (This segment also includes onscreen the first use that we've seen of the misnomer "ground zero mosque.") After the segment — and despite the front-page Times story — there were no news articles on the mosque for five and a half months, according to a search of the Nexis newspaper archive.

# May 6, 2010: After a unanimous vote by a New York City community board committee to approve the project, the AP runs a story. It quotes relatives of 9/11 victims (called by the reporter), who offer differing opinions. The New York Post, meanwhile, runs a story under the inaccurate headline, "Panel Approves 'WTC' Mosque." Geller is less subtle, titling her post that day, "Monster Mosque Pushes Ahead in Shadow of World Trade Center Islamic Death and Destruction." She writes on her Atlas Shrugs blog, "This is Islamic domination and expansionism. The location is no accident. Just as Al-Aqsa was built on top of the Temple in Jerusalem." (To get an idea of where Geller is coming from, she once suggested that Malcolm X was Obama's real father. Seriously.)

# May 7, 2010: Geller's group, Stop Islamization of America (SIOA), launches "Campaign Offensive: Stop the 911 Mosque!" (SIOA 's associate director is Robert Spencer, who makes his living writing and speaking about the evils of Islam.) Geller posts the names and contact information for the mayor and members of the community board, encouraging people to write. The board chair later reports getting "hundreds and hundreds" of calls and e-mails from around the world.

# May 8, 2010: Geller announces SIOA's first protest against what she calls the "911 monster mosque" for May 29. She and Spencer and several other members of the professional anti-Islam industry will attend. (She also says that the protest will mark the dark day of "May 29, 1453, [when] the Ottoman forces led by the Sultan Mehmet II broke through the Byzantine defenses against the Muslim siege of Constantinople." The outrage-peddling New York Post columnist Andrea Peyser argues in a note at the end of her column a couple of days later that "there are better places to put a mosque."

# May 13, 2010: Peyser follows up with an entire column devoted to "Mosque Madness at Ground Zero." This is a significant moment in the development of the "ground zero mosque" narrative: It's the first newspaper article that frames the project as inherently wrong and suspect, in the way that Geller has been framing it for months. Peyser in fact quotes Geller at length and promotes the anti-mosque protest of Stop Islamization of America, which Peyser describes as a "human-rights group." Peyser also reports — falsely — that Cordoba House's opening date will be Sept. 11, 2011.

Lots of opinion makers on the right read the Post, so it's not surprising that, starting that very day, the mosque story spread through the conservative — and then mainstream — media like fire through dry grass. Geller appeared on Sean Hannity's radio show. The Washington Examiner ran an outraged column about honoring the 9/11 dead. So did Investor's Business Daily. Smelling blood, the Post assigned news reporters to cover the ins and outs of the Cordoba House development daily. Fox News, the Post's television sibling, went all out.

Within a month, Rudy Giuliani had called the mosque a "desecration." Within another month, Sarah Palin had tweeted her famous "peaceful Muslims, pls refudiate" tweet. Peter King and Newt Gingrich and Tim Pawlenty followed suit — with political reporters and television news programs dutifully covering "both sides" of the controversy.

Geller had succeeded beyond her wildest dreams.

http://www.salon.com/news/ground_zer...mosque_origins

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Sigh ... perhaps you could read the posts again, so you would know the context.

and you need to answer why build a 2nd mosque if there is already one there?

and in your mind did Obama submit to the mosque being built or support it?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

and you need to answer why build a 2nd mosque if there is already one there?

Well, no, I don't "need" to answer anything. I think you "need" to educate yourself on this subject. If you had paid attention to any of the background in the news on this story at all, over the past months, you'd know that there are multiple mosques in that neighborhood, always have been, just as there are multiple churches in it. The group in question doesn't own "all" the mosques in that neighborhood, just like different congregations support different churches in that neighborhood.

and in your mind did Obama submit to the mosque being built or support it?

I think the President was right to remind the haters that religious persecution of their fellow Americans is against the Constitution, and not what we stand for in America. That he had to do that is appalling and scary for this country.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Well, no, I don't "need" to answer anything. I think you "need" to educate yourself on this subject. If you had paid attention to any of the background in the news on this story at all, over the past months, you'd know that there are multiple mosques in that neighborhood, always have been, just as there are multiple churches in it. The group in question doesn't own "all" the mosques in that neighborhood, just like different congregations support different churches in that neighborhood..

so now there is not one but multiple mosques in the area and yet they want another?

Ok I call bullshit and now show a map of the multiple mosques in the area!

PS Apartments with rugs and bad music don't count

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

I think the President was right to remind the haters that religious persecution of their fellow Americans is against the Constitution, and not what we stand for in America. That he had to do that is appalling and scary for this country.

Please you would think it right if the President cut off the clitoris of a 13 yr. old. Provided she ate a Michelle approved lunch.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

so now there is not one but multiple mosques in the area and yet they want another?

Ok I call bullshit and now show a map of the multiple mosques in the area!

PS Apartments with rugs and bad music don't count

No. You correct your own damn ignorance. I'm tired of it. "The group in question doesn't own "all" the mosques in that neighborhood, just like different congregations support different churches in that neighborhood."

It's not a difficult concept. Look at any of many news stories and background stories on this - there were several last weekend with maps showing the mosques within a mile or so.

You know, so the people who didn't like a mosque "two blocks from" ground zero could be asked what they thought about the mosque already "four blocks" from ground zero. Or the one "six blocks" from ground zero.