8/29 (SAR): Personal Ensign S. (G1)

[slotdirt]

Did Swaps ever venture to NY?

[brockguy]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

She was an 80/1 shot on paper. Two wildly superior horses with similar running styles - and she was only the 2nd best horse of the remaining three. She was truly no great bargain at 69/1 even knowing the two favorites might hook up hard because Life At Ten had nothing to gain from finishing 2nd.

I didn't look yesterday - but I'd be curious to know what she was trading at to hit the board if you saw it.

I was just looking at the win pool to be honest but Ill get you the place pool info when I get the info - though it was 2 places only rather than 3.

I had a nightmare betting the race. I was all set to go against Rachel in it. Instead of laying Rachel at 1.56 (she drifted to 1.8 just before off time!), I thought Id be very cute and back heavy on Life at Ten at 3.65 and light on Miss Singhsix at 15 and ignore the two rank outsiders. That came back to bite me big time.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by brockguy

I was just looking at the win pool to be honest but Ill get you the place pool info when I get the info - though it was 2 places only rather than 3.

I had a nightmare betting the race. I was all set to go against Rachel in it. Instead of laying Rachel at 1.56 (she drifted to 1.8 just before off time!), I thought Id be very cute and back heavy on Life at Ten at 3.65 and light on Miss Singhsix at 15 and ignore the two rank outsiders. That came back to bite me big time.

Life At Ten was a really bad play in there for the simple fact that she was in a lose/lose. If her rider relaxed her off of RA - she likely finishes 2nd by 4 lengths to RA. If she hooks RA - she has to do it from the outside - which is a total death sentance.

[Thunder Gulch]

On paper the BCC field was better than what RA faced and light years better than anything Zenyatta has faced in the last 2 years. That's on paper, however, and the race was won on plastic. Who knows what would have happened on a fast dirt track- we know Zenyatta would have scratched if not fast- but you can't just look at the likes of the Euros and Gio and talk about their mere presence making the quality of racing better. If they were on grass its a different story for those. I also wouldn't judge Summer Bird on the basis of that plastic track effort. That was a heck of a nice colt during the summer/ fall campaign, so an unfamiliar surface after a long year doesn't tell the tale. Call him the worst Belmont/Travers winner ever if you will, but that's a tag most any would take. In between those, he was crushed by that filly..
As for Rachel - clearly not the same horse. Even the die hards who pointed to good times in earlier losses have little to look at this time. Some are excusing it saying she dueled, but last year she dueled in quicker fractions and won the Preakness and Woodward. I'll admit last year wasn't the greatest group of 3yo ever assembled, but you don't win 100+ year old classics like the KY Oaks by 20 lengths or leave a trail of records without showing greatness. Spectacular Bid and Ruffian didn't beat much but they stopped the clock faster than anyone had ever done on more than one occasion.

[Travis Stone]

Well said TG...

[hockey2315]

How was Summer Bird even close to being the worst Belmont/Travers winner ever?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

How was Summer Bird even close to being the worst Belmont/Travers winner ever?

his inclusion in the classic helps make it a good field...those other races, not so much. makes perfect sense, doesn't it?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

How was Summer Bird even close to being the worst Belmont/Travers winner ever?

He was close. His old man is the worst to win both.

[Linny]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Just thinking about Zenyatta for a second - has there ever been a horse who's made the HOF without ever running at Belmont, Saratoga, or Churchill? Just curious.

By the time she retires (if all goes to plan) Z will have run in the BCC at Churchill. I'd have to search for an answer to the question, though I imagine it's quite probably "yes."

[westcoastinvader]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

So let's see, you know nothing about the race, but you still think it appropriate to deride everyone who didn't see the obvious $45 winner that had a career top BSF of 85 and hadn't developed a step since 2008. Even for a redboarder, that's lame.

Actually I guess I'm just PO'd at myself.

I tried to beat Rachel with my plays in her prior race.

Yesterday an $18 tri box with Rachel and the field returned $228.

$16 exacta boxes with Rachel and the field returned $94.

I find it freaking amazing that the exotic wagers were so top loaded.

And po'd I missed it.

[westcoastinvader]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Just thinking about Zenyatta for a second - has there ever been a horse who's made the HOF without ever running at Belmont, Saratoga, or Churchill? Just curious.

Most of Secretariat's glorious 21 races were on the "island" of New York State.

He ventured to Kentucky once, New Jersey twice and Maryland twice.

His last race was in Toronto, just a stone's throw from Finger Lakes.

[prudery]

Originally Posted by Linny

By the time she retires (if all goes to plan) Z will have run in the BCC at Churchill. I'd have to search for an answer to the question, though I imagine it's quite probably "yes."

It is yes.

Ancient Title , I believe never left California and is in, Pan Zareta only ran in the Midwest and showed up at Jamaica .

I believe Paseana never went to Churchill, Belmont or Saratoga, ditto Miesque and All Along ...

There probably are more ...

[MLC]

Originally Posted by westcoastinvader

Most of Secretariat's glorious 21 races were on the "island" of New York State.

He ventured to Kentucky once, New Jersey twice and Maryland twice.

His last race was in Toronto, just a stone's throw from Finger Lakes.

I believe Secretariat also ran at Arlington, 3 weeks after the Belmont.
In his HOY season as a 4 yr. old, Swaps ran in the midwest and in Florida

[slotdirt]

Paseana definitely ran in NY at some point.

[Thunder Gulch]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

How was Summer Bird even close to being the worst Belmont/Travers winner ever?

In no way am I saying that. I think he was a really good colt on dirt through the spring and summer, but his failure on plastic seems to validate the lack of competition argument for those wanting to discredit RA's wins.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by prudery

It is yes.

Ancient Title , I believe never left California and is in, Pan Zareta only ran in the Midwest and showed up at Jamaica .

I believe Paseana never went to Churchill, Belmont or Saratoga, ditto Miesque and All Along ...

There probably are more ...

Ancient Title won the 1975 Whitney and raced at Belmont in the Fall in the Marlboro Cup against Wajima, Forego, and Foolish Pleasure ( among others ). He probably also ran in the Governor's Cup at Belmont as well.

[Smooth Operator]

Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

I also wouldn't judge Summer Bird on the basis of that plastic track effort. That was a heck of a nice colt during the summer/ fall campaign, so an unfamiliar surface after a long year doesn't tell the tale. Call him the worst Belmont/Travers winner ever if you will, but that's a tag most any would take. In between those, he was crushed by that filly..

Haskell was merely a prep race for SB.

He no doubt would've handled the overrated filly in the Travers...

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by westcoastinvader

Actually I guess I'm just PO'd at myself.

I tried to beat Rachel with my plays in her prior race.

Yesterday an $18 tri box with Rachel and the field returned $228.

$16 exacta boxes with Rachel and the field returned $94.

I find it freaking amazing that the exotic wagers were so top loaded.

And po'd I missed it.

remember, i told you to save that money until sunday...i did, but i did not have persistently......

[prudery]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Ancient Title won the 1975 Whitney and raced at Belmont in the Fall in the Marlboro Cup against Wajima, Forego, and Foolish Pleasure ( among others ). He probably also ran in the Governor's Cup at Belmont as well.

Thanks---I was going by memory--not always accurate .

[kgar311]

Hey, Smooth Operator since your ran against nothing horse didnt win HOY last year I see you are on here trying to lock up your own award by the end of August. You've done it!!! Here is your trophy for DOUCHE BAG PHUCKING A$$ HOLE OF THE YEAR AWARD shine it up and put it on the mantle for all to see. While Rachel was running against the grain this year what was your take on all 30k claimers mare doing this year beside hiding out in Cali again? Nothing. Hopefully you will be run off the board after Zenyatta finally faces some competition on a real surface at CD in November and is soundly beaten. Only of course after she has taken down Peppers Pride for that elusive win streak title.