Founding fathers liked taxed government health care

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

I'm just trying to find out if you think the programs themselves are all inherently bad, and should be eliminated (like Dell does); or the programs are good but who gets aid needs to be carefully screened, etc.

Better screening at who gets the aid needs to be done. Yes some people have fallen on hard times and need the assistance for a few months. I don't want to see a family starve or not have a roof to live under.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Go F Yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you like my new signature j@ck@ss?

You never responded to the poll that you whined to get taken down. Higher or lower than 50?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Did I say everyone was a deadbeat? I pass by a food bank in my area when I go to my Post Office Box and check to see if I have any mail. Most of these people who are there have a nicer vehicle than me. Im sure it is in a relative or child's name. Yet that person is paying for the car and insurance.

I think alot of people who used to have good jobs have lost them, and yes, they still have the nice cars (and yes, the insurance hopefully) and the nice houses that went with having that money - but they need help to eat if they have families and kids.

Should they sell the car and buy a used beater, use the difference for food? Possibly, but I'm sure they just want help until they are employed again. Most charity places don't ask questions, but I can't imagine that people that don't need the help, and can afford all the groceries they want, are abusing it to walk in there to get free cans of soup and boxes of macaroni and cheese.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Better screening at who gets the aid needs to be done. Yes some people have fallen on hard times and need the assistance for a few months. I don't want to see a family starve or not have a roof to live under.

You don't care so much that you need a new signature to tell people you don't care.

the only way to financial peace is to walk with the Prince of Peace, and that's Jesus Christ

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

You never responded to the poll that you whined to get taken down. Higher or lower than 50?

Contrary to what you and jms62 and whomever else believes I never whined to get the IQ poll taken down. I was enjoying the response's on it. I would be willing to take a lie detector test to prove I didn't whine to anyone about it.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by jms62

You don't care so much that you need a new signature to tell people you don't care.

You love the new signature. Excellent. Im going play to into what you and others think of me.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

I think alot of people who used to have good jobs have lost them, and yes, they still have the nice cars (and yes, the insurance hopefully) and the nice houses that went with having that money - but they need help to eat if they have families and kids.

Should they sell the car and buy a used beater, use the difference for food? Possibly, but I'm sure they just want help until they are employed again. Most charity places don't ask questions, but I can't imagine that people that don't need the help, and can afford all the groceries they want, are abusing it to walk in there to get free cans of soup and boxes of macaroni and cheese.

There is such as a thing as living within your means.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Contrary to what you and jms62 and whomever else believes I never whined to get the IQ poll taken down. I was enjoying the response's on it. I would be willing to take a lie detector test to prove I didn't whine to anyone about it.

Good idea. Let's get a lie detector set up for this real important matter.

Question answered. Definitely lower.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Good idea. Let's get a lie detector set up for this real important matter.

Question answered. Definitely lower.

Did you forgot that I could care less what anyone thinks about me and what I post here?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Did you forgot that I could care less what anyone thinks about me and what I post here?

I'm convinced.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I'm convinced.

Finally your convinced I could less what anyone thinks about me or what I post?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Finally your convinced I could less what anyone thinks about me or what I post?

Figure it out.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

I think alot of people who used to have good jobs have lost them, and yes, they still have the nice cars (and yes, the insurance hopefully) and the nice houses that went with having that money - but they need help to eat if they have families and kids.

Should they sell the car and buy a used beater, use the difference for food? Possibly, but I'm sure they just want help until they are employed again. Most charity places don't ask questions, but I can't imagine that people that don't need the help, and can afford all the groceries they want, are abusing it to walk in there to get free cans of soup and boxes of macaroni and cheese.

In your area people might not be abusing it. Here where im at there is no doubt people are abusing it.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I know. I totally feel the same way about VA healthcare, military folks getting free rides to college, and their pensions.*

I'm not using any of those, so maybe they could separate my tax dollars out so they don't pay for them, right?

Your "I've got mine (from your tax dollars), so f*ck you (and be sure not to touch my tax dollars)" schtick would be laughable if it weren't so goddamn pathetic.

*with the disclaimer that I am not actually against any of these things, but Nascar's logic (if you could even call it that), means that he shouldn't get any of the things he so cherishes, because people who won't ever be using them are the ones paying for them.

Just for info I don't use the VA for medical needs. I use regular doctors just like you do.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Danzig

altho harvard may not have been knocking on nascar's door, i resent when people say that military people had no other choice. i'm a vet, so is my husband, so is my oldest son. my youngest son is currently in boot camp in great lakes, ill (all of us are navy). he turned down an lsu full ride as he wants to be a pilot (f-35's), and perhaps some day an astronaut. but he may have to settle for nuclear engineer. yeah, he's a dummy. we don't have the best military in the world because only dummies with no other recourse join. i don't know where that started, but i really wish it would stop.

Congrats on your family's military history. Hope your son is staying warm in Great Lakes.
This time of the year it is pretty cold there.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

the only way to financial peace is to walk with the Prince of Peace, and that's Jesus Christ

I'm sure you just slipped this one in for the shock value!

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

So how come MY insurance company made us change what we already had, and my costs went up by $600 ?? all because of Obamacare also.

Company insurance plan comes up for renewal in April. Cost went up over $2000 for 3 employees that are covered under the plan. One employee has 3 children on it with 1 child with a pre-existing condition.

We're going to be shopping for something else, but Anthem and one other company won't quote any prices until after sign up.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Crown@club

Company insurance plan comes up for renewal in April. Cost went up over $2000 for 3 employees that are covered under the plan. One employee has 3 children on it with 1 child with a pre-existing condition.

We're going to be shopping for something else, but Anthem and one other company won't quote any prices until after sign up.

Like the credit card companies that tried to financially gouge their customers in the months before the credit card protection restrictions kicked in. Let them tell you they no longer offer coverage for children, too.

"Won't quote prices until after sign up" - and people say no regulation is needed of this industry? Believe me, they would hold you to the price contract - as they freely disregard theirs, and indulge in rescission for the child with a pre-existing condition exclusion.

This is the folly of our nation: having what we receive as healthcare determined by those that make more money by not giving us healthcare.

We need to screw all this stuff and just go to single payer. Let everyone in the country buy the same insurance, of the same quality, Federal employees have. No exclusions, no pre-existing conditions. Just one big pool, everyone gets great health insurance with modern coverage.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Crown@club

Company insurance plan comes up for renewal in April. Cost went up over $2000 for 3 employees that are covered under the plan. One employee has 3 children on it with 1 child with a pre-existing condition.

We're going to be shopping for something else, but Anthem and one other company won't quote any prices until after sign up.

What a coincident your health insurance goes up around the same time Obamacare is approvd.