'17 CROWN TRAIL THREAD: Always Dreaming; Cloud Computing; Tapwrit

[Hoblin]

Originally Posted by Kitan

DRF entries has an interesting lineup for the race...

That's the morning line for the Derby Sire future wager offered Thanksgiving weekend. The best values there are #2 Bodemeister, which will pay $63.60 on Always Dreaming, #4 Curlin ($31.20 on Irish War Cry), and #24 All Others ($9.80 on eleven horses in the field)

[afraidofthedark]

Not one syllable about one I love at a juicy price...Practical Joke. 3rd off layoff all solid races. Hate he didn't pass Irap but that's my main blemish. He drew 19 which lets me red board I'll Have Another. Had several on him. Best of luck to all! Steve Byk, you are the best. LOVE this site.

[Hoblin]

Originally Posted by afraidofthedark

Not one syllable about one I love at a juicy price...Practical Joke. 3rd off layoff all solid races. Hate he didn't pass Irap but that's my main blemish. He drew 19 which lets me red board I'll Have Another. Had several on him. Best of luck to all! Steve Byk, you are the best. LOVE this site.

Nice! Loving a horse that the betting public ignores is the best. Good luck! I showed the entry list to three friends who know nothing about racing, and they picked Thunder Snow, Practical Joke, and Fast And Accurate based upon name alone. So there is a chance that PJ will take some action from the $2 infield bettors, but I'm pretty sure you'll still get more than 20-1.

[tanner12oz]

I'm throwing a couple clams on practical joke..seems like could be a bit wise guy

[Kasept]

5/20: Preakness Possibles/Probables

Always Dreaming (Pletcher)
Classic Empire (Casse)*
Lookin At Lee (Asmussen)*
Gunnevara (Sano)*
Royal Mo (Shirreffs)
Three Rules (Pinchin)
Senior Investment (McPeek)
Cloud Computing (Brown)
Conquest Mo Money (Hernandez)
Malagacy (Pletcher)

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by Kasept

5/20: Preakness Possibles/Probables

Always Dreaming (Pletcher)
Classic Empire (Casse)*
Lookin At Lee (Asmussen)*
Gunnevara (Sano)*
Royal Mo (Shirreffs)
Three Rules (Pinchin)
Senior Investment (McPeek)
Cloud Computing (Brown)
Conquest Mo Money (Hernandez)
Malagacy (Pletcher)

Strong pace

[10 pnt move up]

Just feels like a couple years ago, you have a pretty nice horse in the Derby winner and not much else, in fact the crop seems even weaker than AP triple crown year. Its hard to find much to nag about with the Derby winner and he just doesnt have to beat much the next two races.

Quick turnaround is the issue given the barn never does that much.

[richard burch]

Originally Posted by Kasept

5/20: Preakness Possibles/Probables

Always Dreaming (Pletcher)
Classic Empire (Casse)*
Lookin At Lee (Asmussen)*
Gunnevara (Sano)*
Royal Mo (Shirreffs)
Three Rules (Pinchin)
Senior Investment (McPeek)
Cloud Computing (Brown)
Conquest Mo Money (Hernandez)
Malagacy (Pletcher)

Pletcher running Malagacy against the derby winner is dangerous. Todd has a big pair of...

[richard burch]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Just feels like a couple years ago, you have a pretty nice horse in the Derby winner and not much else, in fact the crop seems even weaker than AP triple crown year. Its hard to find much to nag about with the Derby winner and he just doesnt have to beat much the next two races.

Quick turnaround is the issue given the barn never does that much.

Already we are dismissing the horses? I think these are better than what AP faced.

Malagacy?Gunnevara? Classic Empire? Are those are weak horses? No way.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by richard burch

Already we are dismissing the horses? I think these are better than what AP faced.

Malagacy?Gunnevara? Classic Empire? Are those are weak horses? No way.

I think those horses suck in context, really, I do. Classic Empire is the only one with talent but obviously cant put it all together.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I think those horses suck in context, really, I do. Classic Empire is the only one with talent but obviously cant put it all together.

I tend to agree. There was so much inconsistency in the preps. That said, the combination of the major trouble that many horses encountered in the race and the difficulty of running with mud spraying toward your eyes leaves room for some of this group to come back and look much better in subsequent tries.

[pweizer]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

I tend to agree. There was so much inconsistency in the preps. That said, the combination of the major trouble that many horses encountered in the race and the difficulty of running with mud spraying toward your eyes leaves room for some of this group to come back and look much better in subsequent tries.

Other than Classic Empire at the start, what major trouble did horses have in this race? I really didn't see too many bad trips and would love some insight on things I may have missed.

Paul

[Kasept]

@Steve_Byk No @PreaknessStakes for Malagacy per Todd Pletcher; Master Plan returns to Belmont this morning for Peter Pan/@BelmontStakes @TheNYRA..

[Kasept]

5/20/17 - Preakness Stakes

Always Dreaming (Pletcher/Velazquez)
Classic Empire (Casse/Leparoux)*
Hence (Asmussen/Geroux)
Lookin At Lee (Asmussen/Lanerie)
Gunnevara (Sano/M. Smith)
Royal Mo (Shirreffs/Stevens)
Senior Investment (McPeek/Hill)
Cloud Computing (Brown/Castellano)
Conquest Mo Money (Hernandez/Carreno)
Multiplier (Walsh/Graham)

[pmayjr]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Just feels like a couple years ago, you have a pretty nice horse in the Derby winner and not much else, in fact the crop seems even weaker than AP triple crown year. Its hard to find much to nag about with the Derby winner and he just doesnt have to beat much the next two races.

Quick turnaround is the issue given the barn never does that much.

I think it's too early to tell for 1 reason- the mud.

Probably 3/4 of the trainers will say "my horse hated the mud" and will try again in the Belmont. I think a lot legitimately believe that.

If/when Always Dreaming smokes them on a dry track, then I'll agree

[RHT2004]

Cloud Computing feels like a very likely winner of the Preakness.

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

Cloud Computing feels like a very likely winner of the Preakness.

Besides that Andy likes him why? There are others that look better.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

Besides that Andy likes him why? There are others that look better.

He's been high on the horse, but who knows who he likes in this race. Why does it matter?
I want a new face, who else is there unless you want to take 4-5 on the Derby winner? I dont and I've never been a Classic Empire fan and he's obviously not a new shooter.
Who are the others that look better? I see no one. Its Always Dreaming or Cloud Computing. No one else wins this race

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

He's been high on the horse, but who knows who he likes in this race. Why does it matter?
I want a new face, who else is there unless you want to take 4-5 on the Derby winner? I dont and I've never been a Classic Empire fan and he's obviously not a new shooter.
Who are the others that look better? I see no one. Its Always Dreaming or Cloud Computing. No one else wins this rsce.

There's quite a few that can win this is always dreaming isn't ready including empire. This group doesn't have much separation my friend

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

There's quite a few that can win this is always dreaming isn't ready including empire. This group doesn't have much separation my friend

I don't see it that way, but OK.