Zenyatta

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Your not the only one who thinks this... Capital Otb, all morning everyone thought this.

Not exactly a ringing endorsement.

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

At least you admit shes great.

I'm just assuming she is. Although that field is one of the worst Classic fields of all time...what she did was pretty damn impressive.

My beef is primarily with Jerry and Ann Moss. It's pretty evident in previous posts.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by The Bid

They campainged her like a Champion. No owners would bring a mare like that back and risk that unblemished record. I think they managed her career flawlessly. It all added to the drama, and pagentry of this glorious game.

I'm out.

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Can we not call each other bud and guy... Its so 2 years ago,dudes...

It's better than "jerkoff".

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

I'm just assuming she is. Although that field is one of the worst Classic fields of all time...what she did was pretty damn impressive.

My beef is primarily with Jerry and Ann Moss. It's pretty evident in previous posts.

Wow, I agreee... The connections ruined this, all of it.

Originally Posted by The Bid

They campainged her like a Champion. No owners would bring a mare like that back and risk that unblemished record. Blame is a very very good horse. Id love to see him come back and be a superstar but they have already put him up. How can you knock owners who keep one around like Zenyatta. Regardless of who she faced this year, she was coming off a Breeders Cup win. Whether you like her or not, it was nice for racing, and nice to see her get to this point undefeated. I think they managed her career flawlessly. It all added to the drama, and pagentry of this glorious game.

Well we'll just agree to disagree.

I understand where you're coming from. The whole "They're less of a p.ussy than so and so" it's just not worth proving wrong because this country is overrun with that line of thinking.

[The Bid]

For the record Im not a PC Dem. I just think they really gave the fans something we don't see anymore. A horse running into their 6 year old season.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Mike is making no excuses. He said its my fault.

It is your fault.

[Indian Charlie]

Apparently The Bidiot doesn't think that a final half mile time of 51.27 is indicative of a fast pace.

Nor does he seem to realize that Z was less than five back of Blame with about a half mile to go.

Oh yeah, that's right, Z stumbled and almost went over the rail which cost her her usual runaway win.

[DaTruth]

Blame probably would have won by more if Gomez didn't have to put him in a hard drive late on the far turn to keep Lookin At Lucky from getting the jump on him. Gomez could have waited longer if the only horse he had to run down was Etched.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I'm out.

Thank You, Jesus

[Princess Doreen]

Hitler's reaction to Zenyatta's loss.

http://www.youtube.com/user/derbydanx

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

Blame probably would have won by more if Gomez didn't have to put him in a hard drive late on the far turn to keep Lookin At Lucky from getting the jump on him. Gomez could have waited longer if the only horse he had to run down was Etched.

Yes, this makes a LOT of sense.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Well, I've enjoyed watching her compete. She always puts on a show. She entertains, and that (entertainment) is something that is not always easy to find in this game. I think the team of her haters deserve some credit for pointing out the quality of her fields, and the surface she raced on. She was greatly bothered by the dirt coming back at her. This shouldn't have been the 1st time she faced a large tough field on dirt. Have to admit that the connections could of won this race if they'd of listened just a bit.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Yes, this makes a LOT of sense.

So a 5/16th run is not much more taxing than a 3/16th run?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Hitler's reaction to Zenyatta's loss.

http://www.youtube.com/user/derbydanx

That was awesome!

That was even better than the Tebow version of that clip.

Sadly, they will take that video down pretty soon, so to everyone else, go see it now!

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

So a 5/16th run is not much more taxing than a 3/16th run?

Sure it is. But the jump could very well have been the difference and most think it was.

Are you under the notion that Blame has this extreme turn of foot? Watch his races and read the charts. He has a decent late burst but many of his races he is put into a long drive.

Zenyatta DOES have a tremendous turn of foot. On equal or near equal terms with 3/16ths to go, its hard to imagine Blame outkicking Zenyatta especially after she loafed around for a quarter of the race.

Lets be objective.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by Theatrical

It is so enlightening to be put in a blanket assessment of Z's fans as airheaded. Am I ardent? You bet your ass I am. She may have lost by a head, but look who finished behind her.

Am I disappointed? Sure am, but Blame was very game. My girl made up a huge amount of distance to just miss. I could not be more proud of her.

She is a champion, despite the garbage that has been written. On another forum, where she has been sliced and diced unmercifully, those guys have shown a level of respect for her performance today. And, they didn't refer to Z's fans as some sort of circus show. Some of them got what made her fans so passionate about her.

She will probably be retired and I am glad. Posts like yours, after a race of this magnitude, just reinforce this mare could never do enough to suit.

It's time for another horse to take over the mantle of not being able to satisfy the armchair trainers.

You weren't at Churchill yesterday were you?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Bid

When you deal with these owners who have zillions of dollars the only thing that matters is winning. These people play to win, and fullfill their egos. We are very lucky they brought her back and risked an unblemished record for her 6 year old season. We are all very lucky to have witnessed greatness, even in defeat and the owners of Zenyatta should be given a large round of applause for running her through the season, and into the classic. You just don't get to see horses stick around like her. We are all very fortunate and the sport is better because of it. Win, lose, or draw, she was great even in defeat.

I guess you are too young to remember but it wasn't that long ago that racing horses was the rule not the exception.

And the idea that we were lucky to watch her run this year? Well maybe we were lucky to see the last race but the rest of the season was forgettable unless you are really into preseason games or something like that.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Bid

They campaigned her like a Champion. No owners would bring a mare like that back and risk that unblemished record. Blame is a very very good horse. Id love to see him come back and be a superstar but they have already put him up. How can you knock owners who keep one around like Kenyatta. Regardless of who she faced this year, she was coming off a Breeders Cup win. Whether you like her or not, it was nice for racing, and nice to see her get to this point undefeated. I think they managed her career flawlessly. It all added to the drama, and pagentry of this glorious game.

I would say that 2 campaigns where she only loses a single 5 million dollar race by a nose and yet she gets no horse of the year awards would be flawed. Had they run/won in the Hollywood Gold Cup or Pacific Classic (either year) they probably would have won the award. They chose the path of least resistance and blew it.