LSU vs Bama

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Danzig

boise st needs a tougher schedule. honestly, i was hoping boise would go perfect and come to la for the title game so lsu could shut that crap up once and for all..

I'm sick of this. They played Georgia this year, VA Tech, last year, Oregon home and home the two years before that....they're playing a top BCS school out of conference always. And beating them. It doesn't matter anyway, they lost in conference two straight years. Give Peterson an offseason or a month to prepare they can play with anyone. I have no illusions a full season in the SEC they'd go much better than .500 however.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I don't care what the computers say. Alabama's better. I saw Alabama play LSU. The difference in that game was a better field goal kicking unit by LSU which is part of the game without question. That's it. If you told Gundy before the season all you need to do to play for the national championship is beat Iowa State, he'd take it....tell Chris Peterson all he has to do is make a 35 yard field goal against TCU he'd take it. They both failed. the end.

yes, i saw them play too. and i said that the game bama lost is why they're in, and not okla st. but does that negate the total of their seasons? perhaps, it seems it may. ok st said they played a tougher schedule; i don't know that it's the case.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I'm sick of this. They played Georgia this year, VA Tech, last year, Oregon home and home the two years before that....they're playing a top BCS school out of conference always. And beating them. It doesn't matter anyway, they lost in conference two straight years. Give Peterson an offseason or a month to prepare they can play with anyone. I have no illusions a full season in the SEC they'd go much better than .500 however.

big deal that they played georgia this year. go look at who lsu played this year; it wasn't just one top team. same for auburn, ga, etc. boise st has yet to play a schedule similar to other top programs, til they do they're up for criticism and with good reason.
lsu went on the road and played oregon, wva, alabama. how many ranked opponents did they face this year? i believe all but three teams were ranked when lsu squared off against them; most of their opposition is in a bowl game. can boise say the same? nope.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Danzig

big deal that they played georgia this year. go look at who lsu played this year; it wasn't just one top team. same for auburn, ga, etc. boise st has yet to play a schedule similar to other top programs, til they do they're up for criticism and with good reason.
lsu went on the road and played oregon, wva, alabama. how many ranked opponents did they face this year? i believe all but three teams were ranked when lsu squared off against them; most of their opposition is in a bowl game. can boise say the same? nope.

What didn't you understand...Boise plays a top BCS school every year and usually wins, I said they'd go about .500 in a full SEC conference schedule, I said give Peterson a month or offseason to prepare for a game they'd show up. They did try to upgrade conferences this year and are again this year. It's a stupid system. They have no excuse they missed short field goals the last two years against the best team's in their conference. they have to go undefeated to get in and they couldn't. I think for one game they can play with anyone however. Boise STate isn't as good as LSU this year. I never claimed they were. I think Peterson can coach however and give him a month he could come up with something perhaps to play with them...it may be for only a half like Ark and Georgia though!!

(by the way, 8 of Boise State's 11 opponents are in bowl games...like that means anything at all, as it really doesn't, everyone gets in bowl games...so you said can boise state say the same, your answer was nope, but the actualy answer is yep. I think Boise goes 10-3 playing LSU's schedule this year.)

[King Glorious]

OSU played and beat more teams in the top 20 than Alabama did. They were ranked higher in the computers because their strength of schedule was higher and I believe that with all the talk of how strong the SEC is, the Big 12 came out as the highest rated this season. Saban said in 2003 that his team deserved to be in the title game against Oklahoma because those two teams had played conference title games while USC didn't. I guess he's singing a different tune now.

Really, there shouldn't be a title game this year. LSU deserves the title for their body of work this season. If Alabama beats them, there well be rioting in Louisiana and rightfully so. I will never understand why LSU has to win twice for the title but Alabama only has to won once. I don't want to hear that Alabama the best team in the game they lost. This isn't horse racing where you lose the Classic and still get the title. LSU won the game on Alabama's home field.

[dagolfer33]

I like Doug's idea in that it eliminates rankings from the equation. It still doesn't change the fact that these are the two best teams in the country in terms of body of work.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

What didn't you understand...Boise plays a top BCS school every year and usually wins, I said they'd go about .500 in a full SEC conference schedule, I said give Peterson a month or offseason to prepare for a game they'd show up. They did try to upgrade conferences this year and are again this year. It's a stupid system. They have no excuse they missed short field goals the last two years against the best team's in their conference. they have to go undefeated to get in and they couldn't. I think for one game they can play with anyone however. Boise STate isn't as good as LSU this year. I never claimed they were. I think Peterson can coach however and give him a month he could come up with something perhaps to play with them...it may be for only a half like Ark and Georgia though!!

(by the way, 8 of Boise State's 11 opponents are in bowl games...like that means anything at all, as it really doesn't, everyone gets in bowl games...so you said can boise state say the same, your answer was nope, but the actualy answer is yep. I think Boise goes 10-3 playing LSU's schedule this year.)

wait, doug just asked why georgia was in the sec championship game-he's got a point since they were at best the fourth best team in the conference. but for boise purposes, they're a top team...i don't think so.
as for boise, they need to have a tougher schedule-one tough game isn't a tough schedule. when you see other schools throw down more often than not, of course they'll be more favored at years end.

and yes, i concede the point that there are far too many bowls. when 6-7 ucla is bowl eligible, something's wrong!!

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

OSU played and beat more teams in the top 20 than Alabama did. They were ranked higher in the computers because their strength of schedule was higher and I believe that with all the talk of how strong the SEC is, the Big 12 came out as the highest rated this season. Saban said in 2003 that his team deserved to be in the title game against Oklahoma because those two teams had played conference title games while USC didn't. I guess he's singing a different tune now.

Really, there shouldn't be a title game this year. LSU deserves the title for their body of work this season. If Alabama beats them, there well be rioting in Louisiana and rightfully so. I will never understand why LSU has to win twice for the title but Alabama only has to won once. I don't want to hear that Alabama the best team in the game they lost. This isn't horse racing where you lose the Classic and still get the title. LSU won the game on Alabama's home field.

college football D 1 needs a playoff like every single other NCAA sport to determine it's champion I agree. The singular purpose of the BCS is to find the two best teams. I think you could make an argument and a really good one it did that this year.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

OSU played and beat more teams in the top 20 than Alabama did. They were ranked higher in the computers because their strength of schedule was higher and I believe that with all the talk of how strong the SEC is, the Big 12 came out as the highest rated this season. Saban said in 2003 that his team deserved to be in the title game against Oklahoma because those two teams had played conference title games while USC didn't. I guess he's singing a different tune now.

Really, there shouldn't be a title game this year. LSU deserves the title for their body of work this season. If Alabama beats them, there well be rioting in Louisiana and rightfully so. I will never understand why LSU has to win twice for the title but Alabama only has to won once. I don't want to hear that Alabama the best team in the game they lost. This isn't horse racing where you lose the Classic and still get the title. LSU won the game on Alabama's home field.

that's what i'd heard. but a lot of voters boiled it down to the one loss each team had-which is why bama came out ahead in voting but not the computers.
and yeah, nick has been campaigning hard, guess it worked out for him.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Danzig

wait, doug just asked why georgia was in the sec championship game-he's got a point since they were at best the fourth best team in the conference. but for boise purposes, they're a top team...i don't think so.
as for boise, they need to have a tougher schedule-one tough game isn't a tough schedule. when you see other schools throw down more often than not, of course they'll be more favored at years end.

and yes, i concede the point that there are far too many bowls. when 6-7 ucla is bowl eligible, something's wrong!!

Zero teams play Boise home and home any more. Oregon did, Oregon State did and ended up 1-3. Or STate did beat them at home. they left D1AA and joined WAC why was that outrageous?? Where in the country is Boise located at the time of that move?? They left the WAC and joned Mountain West this year. They had no clue Utah and BYU were leaving at the time that happened. So you think they should play more than one SEC team out of conference on the road?? they have a nice program that wins. That's pretty much my only claim in this. This was one of the few years where them going undefeated could have gotten them in the championship game but they weren't good enough to do it. You want a freaking medal for playing Oregon, Boise's done that multiple times. Boise doesn't deserve a medal for playing Georgia or anyone and they won't be getting one which is fine. They're playing Big East now which I think is stupid, I'd prefer they stay in the Mountain West.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Zero teams play Boise home and home any more. Oregon did, Oregon State did and ended up 1-3. Or STate did beat them at home. they left D1AA and joined WAC why was that outrageous?? Where in the country is Boise located at the time of that move?? They left the WAC and joned Mountain West this year. They had no clue Utah and BYU were leaving at the time that happened. So you think they should play more than one SEC team out of conference on the road?? they have a nice program that wins. That's pretty much my only claim in this. This was one of the few years where them going undefeated could have gotten them in the championship game but they weren't good enough to do it. You want a freaking medal for playing Oregon, Boise's done that multiple times. Boise doesn't deserve a medal for playing Georgia or anyone and they won't be getting one which is fine. They're playing Big East now which I think is stupid, I'd prefer they stay in the Mountain West.

no, i don't want a freaking medal for playing oregon. i want a crystal trophy shaped like a football! and we're not going for that trophy because we played oregon.

it's because we played them as well as wva, alabama, auburn, ark, etc, etc and won them all. they started calling the sec west murderers row for a reason.
honestly, i was disappointed boise lost. i wanted them to win them all so we could crush them and stop the hype for a while.

[King Glorious]

Let's get something straight. Boise was not going to get in over a one-loss Alabama or LSU even if they were undefeated. I think they have shown over the years that they can play with anybody for one game. I also think we all understand that they couldn't come close to the same type of success they have now if they had to play a full SEC or Big 12 schedule. I realize how hard it is for them to schedule better because nobody wants to go the and play them. Whether that's fair or not, that's the reality. In a playoff, they could win a game but they couldn't win two or three. They don't have the depth. As good and entertaining as they are, the schedule they play doesn't compare to what LSU and other SEC teams have to play or what Big 12 teams play.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Let's get something straight. Boise was not going to get in over a one-loss Alabama or LSU even if they were undefeated. I think they have shown over the years that they can play with anybody for one game. I also think we all understand that they couldn't come close to the same type of success they have now if they had to play a full SEC or Big 12 schedule. I realize how hard it is for them to schedule better because nobody wants to go the and play them. Whether that's fair or not, that's the reality. In a playoff, they could win a game but they couldn't win two or three. They don't have the depth. As good and entertaining as they are, the schedule they play doesn't compare to what LSU and other SEC teams have to play or what Big 12 teams play.

so, if everyone knows that, why the constant criticism of the system when they don't get a big game post-season?
i don't get how it can be hard to schedule. other schools do it-so why can't they?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Danzig

so, if everyone knows that, why the constant criticism of the system when they don't get a big game post-season?
i don't get how it can be hard to schedule. other schools do it-so why can't they?

Every year, Alabama has to play LSU, Arkansas, Auburn, and a couple of teams from the other side of the conference that are usually top 15 teams. Their conference schedule is very tough. Same thing for a Big 12 team. They don't want to add another tough game by adding Boise. They will play them in a game like the kickoff game because it's a neutral field game. They won't schedule a home and home with Boise. Boise can get some games against them but it always has to be on the road. So what do you do if you Boise? Do you schedule at Bama, at Oregon, at Texas, etc. every year and come out with 2-3 losses or do you keep doing what you're doing and winning 12-13 games a year, having a great shot at getting a BCS bid, and if things shake out right, being in the title hunt every year?

[clyde]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Every year, Alabama has to play LSU, Arkansas, Auburn, and a couple of teams from the other side of the conference that are usually top 15 teams. Their conference schedule is very tough. Same thing for a Big 12 team. They don't want to add another tough game by adding Boise. They will play them in a game like the kickoff game because it's a neutral field game. They won't schedule a home and home with Boise. Boise can get some games against them but it always has to be on the road. So what do you do if you Boise? Do you schedule at Bama, at Oregon, at Texas, etc. every year and come out with 2-3 losses or do you keep doing what you're doing and winning 12-13 games a year, having a great shot at getting a BCS bid, and if things shake out right, being in the title hunt every year?

( psssst...KG, she's in a foul mood.Tony got laid off.She will bite you! Back off.)

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Every year, Alabama has to play LSU, Arkansas, Auburn, and a couple of teams from the other side of the conference that are usually top 15 teams. Their conference schedule is very tough. Same thing for a Big 12 team. They don't want to add another tough game by adding Boise. They will play them in a game like the kickoff game because it's a neutral field game. They won't schedule a home and home with Boise. Boise can get some games against them but it always has to be on the road. So what do you do if you Boise? Do you schedule at Bama, at Oregon, at Texas, etc. every year and come out with 2-3 losses or do you keep doing what you're doing and winning 12-13 games a year, having a great shot at getting a BCS bid, and if things shake out right, being in the title hunt every year?

all i'm saying is you can't have it both ways. you have to play to get a shot at the top games. if you aren't willing to attempt a tougher schedule, than you can't expect a reward at the end of a season.
look at houston-crept to #6 because they were undefeated. people gave them more credit than they deserved, and that's why they got that high. thankfully so. miss. exposed them. you can't play less than a top notch schedule and then demand to be treated as top notch.

[clyde]

Loss of income and pms.


That's a killer.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by clyde

( psssst...KG, she's in a foul mood.Tony got laid off.She will bite you! Back off.)

no, actually i'm in a good mood. and tony didn't get laid off, not sure why you said that.

[clyde]

Originally Posted by Danzig

no, actually i'm in a good mood. and tony didn't get laid off, not sure why you said that.

thud

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Danzig

so, if everyone knows that, why the constant criticism of the system when they don't get a big game post-season?
i don't get how it can be hard to schedule. other schools do it-so why can't they?

They do. No one usually plays more than one big time school out of conference game...I give credit for LSU scheduling WV this year I guess as well as Oregon...they one upped most teams I guess.


Did you forget the Northwestern State and Western Kentucky games this year??? All 5 of Boise's out of conference foes were better than them.

The SEC makes a tough schedule built in for those teams.

out of conference Boise opponents since turn of the century...They didn't go D1 til 1997.

Georgia twice
Va Tech
Oregon twice
Oregon State 4 times
Arkansas twice
Utah twice
Washington
Washington state twice
South Carolina
BYU twice
Arizona State

3 SEC teams, 5 Pac 10 teams, ACC, and the regional Utah/BYU matchups. They've scheduled people. You want them to play Alabama, LSU, USC, ORegon in one season all on the road, that's not gonna happen.