U.S. Open

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

thats how last year was to me also gales. That 12 footer he made on 18 to force a playoff was as clutch as it gets. I know Rocco isnt some big shot, but he's a pro golfer on the PGA tour and Tiger had ONE leg!

the difference between may and rocco was that tiger played with may in the final round , rocco was ahead of him on sunday

the woods / may show down has yet to be topped in my mind, they matched each other shot for shot on the back 9

[Gander]

Lighting it up? Thats exactly how Phil plays...3,4 birdies, an eagle but a few bogeys and double bogeys as well. Steady is hardly a term that comes to mind when describing Phil's play, which is why he is so popular and enjoyable to watch, and at the same time why he has failed to win so many more majors.

Call it what you want but Tiger completely choked today. Forget what he did the last 3 days. The bottom line is at one point today, he was 3 shots off the lead and he still had 3 holes left to put himself as the leader in the clubhouse. But he hit bad shots and made even worse putts.

Even if he did putt horrible all week long, which by his standards he did...what the hell does that have to do with the last nine holes of a major where the guys in front of you are struggling, given you a window to walk through and make things very close? Its absurd to bring up the way Tiger putted the first 63 holes of this tournament.

As bad as he did, the fact is he knew he still had an excellent chance to win and he didnt.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Gander

Lighting it up? Thats exactly how Phil plays...3,4 birdies, an eagle but a few bogeys and double bogeys as well. Steady is hardly a term that comes to mind when describing Phil's play, which is why he is so popular and enjoyable to watch, and at the same time why he has failed to win so many more majors.

Call it what you want but Tiger completely choked today. Forget what he did the last 3 days. The bottom line is at one point today, he was 3 shots off the lead and he still had 3 holes left to put himself as the leader in the clubhouse. But he hit bad shots and made even worse putts.

Even if he did putt horrible all week long, which by his standards he did...what the hell does that have to do with the last nine holes of a major where the guys in front of you are struggling, given you a window to walk through and make things very close? Its absurd to bring up the way Tiger putted the first 63 holes of this tournament.

As bad as he did, the fact is he knew he still had an excellent chance to win and he didnt.

whatever makes you happy man! but I 100% disagree!

[Gander]

Look, I am a huge fan of Tigers. He probably is my favorite professional athlete in any sport. If you told me growing up that my favorite "athlete" would be a golfer, I would have thought you were crazy.

I'm just being a little objective here. Knowing the personalities of both Tiger and Phil I could pretty much guarntee you that both players feel like they let another major slip away. More obvious to the casual fan was Phil who was tied late in the round, but Tiger would never kid himself...this was one that he let get away.

As GPK said earlier, as bad as he putted, the fact is he was still (in his mind) very much in contention and one of the more likelier winners as late as the
16th-17th holes.

Without Tiger and Phil, the PGA Tour would be the equivalent of Harness Racing.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Gander

Lighting it up? Thats exactly how Phil plays...3,4 birdies, an eagle but a few bogeys and double bogeys as well. Steady is hardly a term that comes to mind when describing Phil's play, which is why he is so popular and enjoyable to watch, and at the same time why he has failed to win so many more majors.

Call it what you want but Tiger completely choked today. Forget what he did the last 3 days. The bottom line is at one point today, he was 3 shots off the lead and he still had 3 holes left to put himself as the leader in the clubhouse. But he hit bad shots and made even worse putts.

Even if he did putt horrible all week long, which by his standards he did...what the hell does that have to do with the last nine holes of a major where the guys in front of you are struggling, given you a window to walk through and make things very close? Its absurd to bring up the way Tiger putted the first 63 holes of this tournament.

As bad as he did, the fact is he knew he still had an excellent chance to win and he didnt.

Tim, I love ya like a brother, you know that...but Tiger only hit 1 bad shot in his last 6 holes (the chip shot on 15). Other than that he hit it just about perfect coming down the stretch today..he just choked it on the greens.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Gander

Look, I am a huge fan of Tigers. He probably is my favorite professional athlete in any sport. If you told me growing up that my favorite "athlete" would be a golfer, I would have thought you were crazy.

I'm just being a little objective here. Knowing the personalities of both Tiger and Phil I could pretty much guarntee you that both players feel like they let another major slip away. More obvious to the casual fan was Phil who was tied late in the round, but Tiger would never kid himself...this was one that he let get away.

As GPK said earlier, as bad as he putted, the fact is he was still (in his mind) very much in contention and one of the more likelier winners as late as the
16th-17th holes.

Without Tiger and Phil, the PGA Tour would be the equivalent of Harness Racing.

now this I 100% agree with! I'm sure Tiger knows he let this slip away. I've never seen him miss so many makeable birdie putts. If this was a regular US Open where a -1 or E par wins its okay to make par after par... but you had to score to win this tourney. Tiger should have won and he should have putted better, & its crazy that he was even in contention while averaging 30 putts per round. But I just dont think he choked. Choking is folding under pressure, and he didnt do that... he just didnt have it.

[gales0678]

you know lori there are people in ohio that still think that Tom Weiskopf had more talent than Jack Nicklaus

they are not necessiarly wrong , he had a better swing than jack , hit the ball as good if not better, but, when history was on the line (see the '75 masters) Tom terrific looked like a sunday hack next to Jack - he couldn't do 1 thing that jack always did on sunday ........get the ball into the hole in big spots time after time

[GPK]

Originally Posted by gales0678

you know lori there are people in ohio that still think that Tom Weiskopf had more talent than Jack Nicklaus

they are not necessiarly wrong , he had a better swing than jack , hit the ball as good if not better, but, when history was on the line (see the '75 masters) Tom terrific looked like a sunday hack next to Jack - he couldn't do 1 thing that jack always did on sunday ........get the ball into the hole in big spots time after time

Tom wasn't the only player that had more talent than Jack.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by GPK

Tom wasn't the only player that had more talent than Jack.

if the guy on NBC could putt , who knows how many he wins , his iron play was light years ahead of jack , probably the straighest iron player in the history of the game

if you could design a golfer that hit a driver like greg norman , hit the irons like johnnie miller , improvise with the wedge like trevino , putt like crenshaw and have jack's head - that would be the perfect player , the only possibile player that could even beat tiger

[Gander]

Originally Posted by gales0678

if the guy on NBC could putt , who knows how many he wins , his iron play was light years ahead of jack , probably the straighest iron player in the history of the game

if you could design a golfer that hit a driver like greg norman , hit the irons like johnnie miller , improvise with the wedge like trevino , putt like crenshaw and have jack's head - that would be the perfect player , the only possibile player that could even beat tiger

That sure is a lot of ifs. Are you going to build this golfer in your garage?
Adam Scott has more talent than any of them except for Tiger, but he cant seem to play well in majors.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Gander

That sure is a lot of ifs. Are you going to build this golfer in your garage?
Adam Scott has more talent than any of them except for Tiger, but he cant seem to play well in majors.

timmy

greg norman was the longest / straightest driver of the golf ball in history of golf

johnnie miller - was the straighest iron player ever in the game

Lee Trevino would make mince meat of adam scott with a wedge

Ben Crenshaw - best stroke

Now give that combo Jack's head and you have the golfer that can take down tiger woods

none of them on theoir own could beat tiger , but their best part of their game could beat him

Adam Scott - geez next your going to tell me that George Scott was a better 1b man than Don Mattingly!

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by gales0678

timmy

greg norman was the longest / straightest driver of the golf ball in history of golf

johnnie miller - was the straighest iron player ever in the game

Lee Trevino would make mince meat of adam scott with a wedge

Ben Crenshaw - best stroke

Now give that combo Jack's head and you have the golfer that can take down tiger woods

none of them on theoir own could beat tiger , but their best part of their game could beat him

Adam Scott - geez next your going to tell me that George Scott was a better 1b man than Don Mattingly!

lol.. says the man who says he has more shots in his bag than Kev!

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

lol.. says the man who says he has more shots in his bag than Kev!

so go ahead and tell me about Adam Scott - where is the talent ??? where are the shots - all the guys i mentioned above have won major cahmpionships and have been right on the cusp of major champioships wins only not to have the mental game to hold up on sunday as well as tiger and jack

please tell me where what part of the game adam scott is better at than each of the players listed below

greg norman with the driver - not even a vote , he can't drive it as straight as the great white shark and they boh hit it a ton


johnnie miller - scott never has shown an ability to throw dart like irons at pins over extended weeks in events whether the pga tour or the aust tour

lee trevino - you really think adam scott can make a wedge dance like trevino ?

ben crenshaw - putting - no chance , he 's too mechanical on the greens to compete with crenshaw over the long haul

jack nicklaus - mental game - no way no how

[Gander]

Originally Posted by gales0678

so go ahead and tell me about Adam Scott - where is the talent ??? where are the shots - all the guys i mentioned above have won major cahmpionships and have been right on the cusp of major champioships wins only not to have the mental game to hold up on sunday as well as tiger and jack

please tell me where what part of the game adam scott is better at than each of the players listed below

greg norman with the driver - not even a vote , he can't drive it as straight as the great white shark and they boh hit it a ton


johnnie miller - scott never has shown an ability to throw dart like irons at pins over extended weeks in events whether the pga tour or the aust tour

lee trevino - you really think adam scott can make a wedge dance like trevino ?

ben crenshaw - putting - no chance , he 's too mechanical on the greens to compete with crenshaw over the long haul

jack nicklaus - mental game - no way no how

Scott has sensational long irons and his short game rivals that of Phils. He just cant seem to putt when it matters and makes too many mistakes. Nobody on tour can hit long irons like Adam Scott. He should have 3-4 majors under his belt by now, maybe even more.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Gander

Scott has sensational long irons and his short game rivals that of Phils. He just cant seem to putt when it matters and makes too many mistakes. Nobody on tour can hit long irons like Adam Scott. He should have 3-4 majors under his belt by now, maybe even more.

i'm not saying that he doesn't hit them very well , but , does he really hit them as well as johnnie miller did? do you really believe that

Johnnie Miller could go months literally without missing the green from the middle of the fariway - in fact he could go a few tournaments without not getting withing 15 ft every time when he was in the middle of the fairway - it's not even up for discussion

[Gander]

Originally Posted by gales0678

i'm not saying that he doesn't hit them very well , but , does he really hit them as well as johnnie miller did? do you really believe that

Johnnie Miller could go months literally without missing the green from the middle of the fariway - in fact he could go a few tournaments without not getting withing 15 ft every time when he was in the middle of the fairway - it's not even up for discussion

I never watched Johnny Miller play golf, but I dont need you telling me how great a ball striker and shotmaker he was....I am reminded of it at least 7 times every time I watch a golf telecast that he is on! Man, that guy's ego is something else. Hes really corny too. Golf may be the only sport on TV covered worse than horse racing.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by gales0678

so go ahead and tell me about Adam Scott - where is the talent ??? where are the shots - all the guys i mentioned above have won major cahmpionships and have been right on the cusp of major champioships wins only not to have the mental game to hold up on sunday as well as tiger and jack

please tell me where what part of the game adam scott is better at than each of the players listed below

greg norman with the driver - not even a vote , he can't drive it as straight as the great white shark and they boh hit it a ton


johnnie miller - scott never has shown an ability to throw dart like irons at pins over extended weeks in events whether the pga tour or the aust tour

lee trevino - you really think adam scott can make a wedge dance like trevino ?

ben crenshaw - putting - no chance , he 's too mechanical on the greens to compete with crenshaw over the long haul

jack nicklaus - mental game - no way no how

I dont really have a good knowlege of Scotts game... I just wanted to crack a joke on you!

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I dont really have a good knowlege of Scotts game... I just wanted to crack a joke on you!

ok , but don't forget mind that bird can still get 3 yr old of the year even though borel f**ked up in the belmont

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Gander

I never watched Johnny Miller play golf, but I dont need you telling me how great a ball striker and shotmaker he was....I am reminded of it at least 7 times every time I watch a golf telecast that he is on! Man, that guy's ego is something else. Hes really corny too. Golf may be the only sport on TV covered worse than horse racing.

agreed... Miller is horrible. every single major you get to here about his final round score of 63. I mean jezus! I hope someone posts a final round 59 in a major so we never have to hear about Miller again.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

agreed... Miller is horrible. every single major you get to here about his final round score of 63. I mean jezus! I hope someone posts a final round 59 in a major so we never have to hear about Miller again.

i personally like Johnnie Miller , i got to meet Bob Wright (miller's boss) a few years ago , and i personally told him he was a great asset for NBC sports because he tells it like it is , a lot of golf commentators don't have a pulse