what a sharpie

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GPK

I haven't decided who is the lesser of two evils yet, but it infuriates me to have to vote like that

what is the saying kev...the lesser of two evils is still evil?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Does it matter that his "plans" rarely come with details or have a prayer of working? Democrat gods mr and mrs Clinton had a plan for healthcare when they were elected back when you were in 2nd grade and we are still waiting on the details of that. They are smart too.

I'd say if Obama's administration approached Clinton's, we'd be in pretty decent shape. I'm too tired for this though, tell your old man I said hey.

[ArlJim78]

mr. smooth put his foot in his mouth again today, with a reference to "putting lipstick on a pig". He will deny it had anything to do with Palin, but whatever he says the audience got it and so will everyone else.

For a guy that ran a great primary campaign, he has turned into a walking disaster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPd4yk0x-eg

Originally Posted by Danzig

better than bush/gore, bush/kerry. but that's not saying much.

We might get 70% of the registered voters.
That says a hell of a lot. Close to an all-time high
since figures have been accurately taken.

When was the last time 70% showed up at the polls?
We hear the same thing every damn year. Bad choices.
I disagree with the vehemence of a ... of a...
ill-tempered marmot.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Come on man. You're a lot smarter than this. It has nothing to do with Palin. It's a figure of speech. Only people that view Palin as a pig will take like that. Wait....

you're so wrong, it doesn't matter if its a figure of speech, it has a different context at the moment that anyone can understand, I'm sure you got it.
the only thing it does is take him further off his message, he'll be responding tomorrow all day long in the news cycle to this comment, all his talking heads will be deflecting it in the media. it simply did not look presidential and showed horrible judgement. no one believes me but this is total amatuer hour and he is in freefall and if he is not careful this race could be all over but the shouting way earlier than even I predicted.

[dalakhani]

Wager?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

you're so wrong, it doesn't matter if its a figure of speech, it has a different context at the moment that anyone can understand, I'm sure you got it.
the only thing it does is take him further off his message, he'll be responding tomorrow all day long in the news cycle to this comment, all his talking heads will be deflecting it in the media. it simply did not look presidential and showed horrible judgement. no one believes me but this is total amatuer hour and he is in freefall and if he is not careful this race could be all over but the shouting way earlier than even I predicted.

you may be right that this issue will take everyone off the topic at hand. my homepage is set up with, among other things, links to ap news. only three links, but guess what one of them was this morning? when i saw your post, i went back to get that link, and read the story.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26630854/

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

no one believes me but

For some reason I feel like a lot of your sentences in future political discussions will start like this.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

For some reason I feel like a lot of your sentences in future political discussions will start like this.

is that all you have, a not so deft change of topic?

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

is that all you have, a not so deft change of topic?

Interesting all the talk this AM is about the pig comment. Things like this tend to stick - even though he may not have planned it...the perception of what he said will remain with many.

You can't make these gaff's at this point in the process - rookie mistake.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by geeker2

Interesting all the talk this AM is about the pig comment. Things like this tend to stick - even though he may not have planned it...the perception of what he said will remain with many.

You can't make these gaff's at this point in the process - rookie mistake.

IMO, here is the deal. He was in Lebanon, VA when he made this comment. Residents of this portion of Southwest VA have been talking in this type of lingo for years. When I read about his visit in the local paper this morning, I viewed more as an attempt by Obama to try and connect with the people of the area as opposed to a cheap shot at Palin.


Just my 2 Abe's

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

is that all you have, a not so deft change of topic?

LOL @ someone who'd rather talk about supposed gaffes than issues saying all I have is topic changing.

That's all your crew does is change topics, somehow getting the American people to care about stupid **** like comments about pigs instead of the issues.

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by GPK

IMO, here is the deal. He was in Lebanon, VA when he made this comment. Residents of this portion of Southwest VA have been talking in this type of lingo for years. When I read about his visit in the local paper this morning, I viewed more as an attempt by Obama to try and connect with the people of the area as opposed to a cheap shot at Palin.


Just my 2 Abe's

Yeah..no way he would be stupid enough to do this..it may energize the Palin haters - but he is going to get their votes anyway....and a comment like this is not going to sway the middle of the roaders.

He'll recover from this - but a gaff like this 1 week before Election Day would be a death-blow.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

LOL @ someone who'd rather talk about supposed gaffes than issues saying all I have is topic changing.

That's all your crew does is change topics, somehow getting the American people to care about stupid **** like comments about pigs instead of the issues.

karl Rove is going to go down some day as the greatest spin doctor of all time. The fact that he could sell Bush as some sort of military leader against a guy who actually served in combat is amazing. Now, they are actually selling McCain as some sort of "agent of change" LOL. Amazing.

And this forum is proof that there are people out there that actually bite on it.

Rove's confidence in the average man's supidity is justified i would say.

[TheSpyder]

Boy, this is from deep left field...or would that be right field:

http://www.atlah.org/broadcast/ndnr09-03-08.html

Also, Palin's biggest problem is she sounds earily like someone from Saturday Night Live. I keep thinking I'm hearing a skit about politics.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

karl Rove is going to go down some day as the greatest spin doctor of all time. The fact that he could sell Bush as some sort of military leader against a guy who actually served in combat is amazing. Now, they are actually selling McCain as some sort of "agent of change" LOL. Amazing.

And this forum is proof that there are people out there that actually bite on it.

Rove's confidence in the average man's supidity is justified i would say.

worked with clinton vs dole.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by TheSpyder

Boy, this is from deep left field...or would that be right field:

http://www.atlah.org/broadcast/ndnr09-03-08.html

Also, Palin's biggest problem is she sounds earily like someone from Saturday Night Live. I keep thinking I'm hearing a skit about politics.

who is that guy?! and yeah, how DARE obamas people try to make mccain and his running mate look bad. what kind of argument is that? and then, he says obama shouldn't go after the pregnancy issue, but then bashes obamas mother?! i would define that as hypocrisy.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Danzig

worked with clinton vs dole.

Thats news. Did they sell Clinton as a military leader and discredit Dole's service?

[dalakhani]

Furthermore you are acting as if that was some kind of polarizng argument. Was that even a contest? Clinton crushed him.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Thats news. Did they sell Clinton as a military leader and discredit Dole's service?

clinton was mentioned as having commander in chief experience since he was head of the arkansas national guard. and dole was a military hero. it's a similar situation, as was clinton being accused of being too young, not having enough foreign policy experience, etc. the parallels are there. and clinton for the most part did just fine, so i'd say that the lack of military experience itself is not a really good argument as to whether you could be a good president or not. certainly didn't make grant a good president.