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08-19-2010, 07:41 PM
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so, again, thanks for reading that a few weeks back. it shows you pay attention to the posts others put up here, and don't mind learning something you may not have known.
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08-19-2010, 07:55 PM
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Because as you’ve stated if it were pedophilia it seems there would be far more assaults on 8yr olds (easier, more attractive victims) than say 15yr olds and girls would make up more than just a fraction of victims as they do now. BTW I've heard all the priest little boy jokes I can handle but NEVER heard the priest and a little girl one.
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08-20-2010, 09:35 PM
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Inside info!
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08-20-2010, 10:50 PM
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Female school teachers are on a sexual rampage on young male students but we're not denegrating Teachers are we? Let's give a couple million to their Union. Tax $$ aren't going to the Catholic Church are they?
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08-21-2010, 12:00 AM
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how the hell do you garner that from what i posted in this thread, and the other? lol there is NO connection between the two!! anyone going into the priesthood is giving up any shot of having a mate-it stands to reason that such a move would appeal to those who have no attraction to adults, of either sex. that's what the studies showed. priests and other child molesters don't do what they do because of homosexuality-most molesters have no sexuality. in other words, they never matured into sexual adults, hence their attraction to children, since that's where their 'sex life' remains. and like i said before, since priests have far more opportunities to be alone with boys than girls, it stands to reason that boys would be the predominant victim. the fact there are also female victims belies the whole homosexuality argument.
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08-21-2010, 07:52 AM
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BTW I'm sure their are heterosexual priests as well but either they are keeping it in their pants or are ninjas.
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08-21-2010, 07:56 AM
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BTW where does the MANBLA organization fit in to this?
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08-21-2010, 10:33 AM
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Sexual abuse by Catholic clergy became the subject of widespread publicly in 1984 with the celebrated case of Father Gilbert Gauthe in Lafayette, Louisiana. This led to numerous revelations of similar cases of abuse around the United States and in other countries as well. At the outset of the present era the crisis was erroneously referred to as a “pedophilia problem.” Experience has shown that only 20% of clergy perpetrators are true pedophiles while the majority are classified as ephebophiles since their victims are younger adolescents. The publicity generated from the abuse cases involving minor victims has also provoked revelations of widespread clergy sexual abuse of vulnerable adults, mostly women. In any event, the age and gender of the victim are irrelevant since the sexual encounter constitutes abusive behavior by a trusted clergyman perpetrated on one with less emotional strength and spiritual power than the priest and one who is in a vulnerable position from which he or she cannot mount an adequate defense. so, what is ephebophilia? Ephebophilia is the sexual preference of adults for mid-to-late adolescents, generally ages 15 to 19.[1][2] The term was originally used in the late 19th to mid 20th century, and has been more recently revisited by Ray Blanchard.[2] It is one of a number of sexual preferences across age groups subsumed under the neologism of "chronophilia". Ephebophilia strictly denotes the preference for mid-to-late adolescent sexual partners, not the mere presence of some level of sexual attraction. In sexual ethics, it may be defined as a sexual preference for girls generally 14–16 years old, and boys generally 14–19 years old.[3] Some authors define ephebophilia as a sexual preference of pubescent and adolescent boys.[4] homosexuality mean preference for others of the same sex. it does not mean preference for others of the same sex who are below a certain age. these priests are drawn to those who have not yet reached maturity. they don't or can't have relationships with others of their age. a power trip problem an underlying issue perhaps? a man with this would be referred to immediately as humbert humbert. at any rate, a priest doesn't commit these crimes due to homosexuality. those priests hang out in gay bars, another issue that has been brought up about priests being forced into a 'celibate' lifestyle. straight priests have relationships with women, some of them leaving the church because they have no wish to be alone. but these criminals-they are warped individuals. your statement that they prey on youth due to homosexuality is false.
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08-22-2010, 12:21 AM
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Why aren't epheboliliac/nuns acting out against girls? All nuns did in my experience was beat boys!
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08-22-2010, 10:10 AM
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'The nine-year investigation found that Catholic priests and nuns for decades terrorised thousands of boys and girls in the Irish Republic, while government inspectors failed to stop the chronic beatings, rape and humiliation.' another: A Boston-area woman yesterday filed a lawsuit against a former nun and teacher in Detroit, accusing the ex-nun of sexually molesting her over six years while she was a student at a Catholic high school there in the 1960s. all this: Female Victims of Clergy Abuse Recent stories of interest Abuse by priest haunts Canadian woman Even when she lived on a remote Gulf Island where no one locked their doors and everyone knew each other, Joanne Morrison felt nervous whenever her children stepped out the door. Morrison felt trapped by her own childhood memories of sexual abuse and felt paranoid over the safety of her own kids. Morrison was first molested by her priest when she was eight years old. The abuse lasted about three years, but the pain never went away, she said. Complaints of sex abuse by nuns begin to emerge Even now, decades later, the victims' voices falter as they describe the encounters that damaged them in ways they cannot fully cast off. Mary Dunford tells of a molester visiting her dormitory bed when she was 15. Susan Pavlak speaks of the teacher who talked to her of love, then seduced her at 16. Siblings describe how their piano teacher touched them in ways no adult should touch a child. In each case, the perpetrator was, or recently had been, a Roman Catholic nun. Minneapolis Star Tribune, June 25, 2006 Dozens allege sex abuse by nuns Spotlighting the role of female clergy in sexual abuse for the first time, a victims advocacy group said yesterday that it had identified about 100 people in the United States who said they had been assaulted by Catholic nuns, sisters and other female religious workers. At a news conference, the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests (SNAP) called for other victims to come forward so they could share their stories and receive help. Baltimore Sun, July 14, 2004 Boston review board dismissed accusations by females When a woman complained to the Archdiocese of Boston in 1994 that the Rev. Lionel P. Ouellette had molested her as a schoolgirl in Lynn, the church ruled he could keep his job. When the Rev. Paul G. McPartland was accused by a woman, who said he had tried to sexually molest her in a car at Castle Island when she was 16, the church took no action. Records made public yesterday detailing alleged sexual misconduct by six priests suggest that women who complained that they had been assaulted as girls often received dismissive treatment by a church review board. Boston Globe, February 7, 2003 Nuns as sexual victims get little notice Already shaken by a yearlong sex abuse scandal involving priests and minors, the Roman Catholic Church has yet to face another critical challenge - how to help thousands of nuns who say they have been sexually victimized. A national survey, completed in 1996 but intentionally never publicized, estimates that a "minimum" of 34,000 Catholic nuns, or about 40 percent of all nuns in the United States, have suffered some form of sexual trauma. By Bill Smith, St. Louis Post-Dispatch - January 4, 2003 Women face stigma of clergy abuse Jean Leahy kept her secret for 40 years: that she had had to fend off the Rev. Robert V. Meffan's repeated sexual advances - the hand on the thigh, the hug that lasted too long, the invitations to his bedroom - when she was a teenager studying at Sacred Heart Convent in Kingston. Why tell anyone, she reasoned, when few people would believe the word of a woman over the word of a beloved priest? But when Meffan's personnel file became public Dec. 3, and he acknowledged having sexual activity with teenage girls who, like her, were preparing to be nuns, Leahy decided there was no need for secrecy any more. By Sacha Pfeiffer, Boston Globe, December 27, 2002 My female pastor molested me It's not just boys who have been violated by religious figures. Here 30-year-old Julie Prey-Harbaugh shares a particularly shocking tale of sexual abuse. Cosmopolitan, August 2002 In Massachusetts, women tell their own stories of abuse There was more grief and betrayal expressed yesterday by victims of predatory clergy -- but this time the memories of abuse were delivered primarily by women. Over a half-dozen abuse survivors, mostly women, sat on the altar of North Parish Church and told members of the Voice of the Faithful, a lay reformist group, about experiences that came close to ruining many of their lives. - Lawrence (MA) Eagle Tribune, November 18, 2002 Clergy sex abuse of females complicates intricate issue They are the forgotten victims of clergy sex abuse, neglected by the media and overlooked by church activists. Yet many experts estimate that females -- both girls and women -- constitute a sizable number of all victims of sexual abuse by priests. - Kansas City Star, July 12, 2002 Father Figure In the controversy over child abuse by Catholic priests, one group is being overlooked--adult women. a growing number of adult women who are coming forward to charge priests or clergy members with sexual abuse and to demand that their cases be taken seriously. As the Catholic bishops struggle to control scandals over clergy sexual abuse of minors--including issuing a historic no-tolerance policy--women say their stories have been given short shrift. In these complex cases the priests were not pedophiles but heterosexual men who, the women say, broke their vow of celibacy and abused the power and trust placed in them. From the June 27-July 3, 2002 issue of Metro, Silicon Valley's Weekly Newspaper. Women tell of priests' abusing them as girls Linda Burke said that when she was a 14-year-old growing up in Chicago, her priest began wrestling with her on the floor, roughhousing so insistently that her clothing became undone. When she was 17, she said, another priest began to kiss and fondle her in a chapel, and later other priests used their spiritual influence to seduce her into full-fledged sex. - By SAM DILLON, The New York Times - June 14, 2002 Massachusetts priest says he abused dozens of young girls The Rev. Robert E. Kelley admitted in a sworn deposition that he sexually molested “50 to 100” young girls while he was an associate pastor to St. Cecilia's parish in Leominster, Massachusetts, from 1976 to 1983. - Worcester Telegram, May 11, 2002 Female victims often overlooked in horror stories of clergy abuse They are Californians with shared histories of violence, abuse and unspeakable betrayal. At age 6, one was sodomized in the church sanctuary by the family priest, then raped again at 8 by a second priest in another state. Another was lured into a sexual relationship at age 16 by one priest, who invited six other priests along for the "fun" over the next four years. Still another Californian remembers wandering into the rectory at about age 8, only to be raped. Who are they?, Sacramento Bee - March 21, 2002 http://msmagazine.com/blog/blog/2010...f-women-girls/ knowing how the catholic hierarchy views women, it's no surprise to me to see articles about abused girls, or the lack of caring about their cases. look at the fact that the church feels a 'crime' of ordaining a woman should be punished in the same way as a priest who molests children. “The word addressed to Eve after the fall: ‘He (the man) shall rule over you’…was a bitter forecast, not an authorization.” that line came from the above linked article. i find it to be so true.
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08-22-2010, 05:57 PM
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back to the original topic, not that i mind anyone going in a different direction when the mood strikes...
an informative piece from william dalrymple, in the new york times: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/17/op...lrymple&st=cse i suggest reading it, it helps to understand that although there is islam, there are differing attitudes and branches of the religion. an excerpt: For such moderate, pluralistic Sufi imams are the front line against the most violent forms of Islam. In the most radical parts of the Muslim world, Sufi leaders risk their lives for their tolerant beliefs, every bit as bravely as American troops on the ground in Baghdad and Kabul do. Sufism is the most pluralistic incarnation of Islam — accessible to the learned and the ignorant, the faithful and nonbelievers — and is thus a uniquely valuable bridge between East and West. another: While the West remains blind to the divisions and distinctions within Islam, the challenge posed by the Sufi vision of the faith is not lost on the extremists. This was shown most violently on July 2, when the Pakistani Taliban organized a double-suicide bombing of the Data Darbar, the largest Sufi shrine in Lahore, Pakistan’s second-largest city. The attack took place on a Thursday night, when the shrine was at its busiest; 42 people were killed and 175 were injured. the last paragraph: Sufism is an entirely indigenous, deeply rooted resistance movement against violent Islamic radicalism. Whether it can be harnessed to a political end is not clear. But the least we can do is to encourage the Sufis in our own societies. Men like Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf should be embraced as vital allies, and we should have only contempt for those who, through ignorance or political calculation, attempt to conflate them with the extremists.
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Nice article, wrong thread. Post it over in Islamophobialand.
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08-24-2010, 07:32 AM
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william saletan on the proposed center, from slate:
http://www.slate.com/id/2264754/ Sensitive Conservatism Is a mosque near Ground Zero "insensitive"? By William Saletan Posted Monday, Aug. 23, 2010, at 8:11 AM ET One by one, the arguments against the proposed Islamic community center and mosque near Ground Zero have collapsed. A "13-story mosque"? No such plan. "At Ground Zero"? Wrong again. The imam's radical politics? A myth. His shadowy jihadist financiers? Imagined. His failure to denounce terrorism? Debunked. The "angry battle" he's "stoking"? Please. The guy isn't even returning phone calls. The anger and stoking have come from the other side. So the mosque's opponents have fallen back on one last argument: sensitivity. love this line: With the exception of Palin, these are not stupid people. an excerpt: It's natural to be angry at Muslims for 9/11. In fact, it's natural to want to kill them. We've hated and killed each other for centuries. You kill us; we kill you. The "you" is collective. You aren't exactly the infidel who slew my grandfather. But you're close enough. Seen against this backdrop, the mosque fight represents enormous progress. We aren't talking about killing Muslims or banning their religion. We're just asking them not to build a mosque near the place where they murdered thousands of our people. "Putting the mosque at a different site would demonstrate the uncommon courtesy sometimes required for us to get along," Hughes suggests. In turn, "this gesture of goodwill could lead us to a more thoughtful conversation to address some of the ugliness this controversy has engendered." But if our revulsion at the idea of a mosque near Ground Zero is irrational—if it's based on group blame and a failure to distinguish Islam from terrorism—then maybe it isn't the mosque's planners who need to rise above their emotions. Maybe it's the rest of us. Once we recognize the sensitivity argument for what it is—an appeal to feelings we can't morally justify—there's no good reason why the Islamic center shouldn't be built at its planned site, in the neighborhood where its imam already preaches and its members work and congregate. Asking them to reorder their lives to accommodate our instinctive reaction is wrong. We can transcend that reaction, and we should. the last paragraph, which i agree should be the real talking points: By all means, let's have a thoughtful conversation about Islam and its place in the United States. Let's ask the imam what he means when he says sharia is compatible with the U.S. Constitution. Let's confront the reluctance of Muslim clerics, including this one, to denounce Hamas. And let's demand transparency in the fundraising process so extremists don't finance the new building. Moving the building farther away from Ground Zero won't advance any of these discussions. It's the wrong fight. Let it go.
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