LSU vs Bama

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I said because they are my team, I was just messing around. Before the ACC championship game I did think they were playing really well though. I have a problem with Frank Bemer. He always seems to lose the big games. Im sick of him.

I'm sure he is fond of you

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The Big 10 was down, the Big East was down, the Pac 10 was down, etc. They beat the **** out of Baylor 59-24 who you like. They put up 52 against K State who is a top 10 team. They beat OK 44-10 when they were ranked in the top 10. They played 3 games all season that they didnt dominate. How many teams didnt have multiple losses?

You can have another chance to lose money betting against them against Stanford

Do you think they are better then Bame or LSU? Even if Im wrong about them and everything else, the bottom line is are they better then those 2 teams? I think Bama's loss was A LOT BETTER THEN OK ST LOSS.

[dagolfer33]

Originally Posted by BigBlue

Seems like this is one thing we could all rally around President Obama on. In 2008, he said

"I think any sensible person would say that if you've got a bunch of teams who play throughout the season, and many of them have one loss or two losses, there's no clear decisive winner that we should be creating a playoff system. Eight teams. That would be three rounds, to determine a national champion. It would add three extra weeks to the season. You could trim back on the regular season. I don't know any serious fan of college football who has disagreed with me on this. So, I'm gonna throw my weight around a little bit. I think it's the right thing to do."

Last time I checked, Obama was a politician. They never do what they say they are going to do.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Do you think they are better then Bame or LSU? Even if Im wrong about them and everything else, the bottom line is are they better then those 2 teams? I think Bama's loss was A LOT BETTER THEN OK ST LOSS.

You cant argue for a playoff system then talk about "better" losses. My point has always been that I and many others are tired of a system in which losses are ranked, teams are ranked, schedules are ranked, conferences are ranked, etc. It shouldnt matter who we think is better, we should let them prove it on the field.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

think about this 1st round-Hell you could reward the higher seeds by making these home games
LSU vs Va Tech
Alabama vs TCU
Ok State vs Baylor
Stanford vs Clemson
Oregon vs Michigan
Arkansas vs Michigan State
Boise st vs Kansas state
Wisconsin vs South Carolina

16 for football will make the regular season games and confrence championship games less important.

Why not just a simple 8-team tourney... 6 automatic spots going to the Conference champions of the six major confrences. One automatic spot going to the highest rated non BCS confrence champion. And one at-large selection going to the highest rated team who doesn't qualify.

The 1st round would look like so:

8-seed West Virgina at 1-seed LSU
7-seed Clemson at 2-seed Alabama
6-seed Wisconson at 3-seed Oklahoma State
5-seed Boise State at 4-seed Oregon

The remaining games in the playoff tourney would be played at alternating locations like the Rose Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, Sugar Bowl, Orange Bowl, Cotton Bowl, etc.

This would achieve making the regular season more important, making the conference title games more important, and having a meaningful playoff that is way better than the current Bowl system.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Do you think they are better then Bame or LSU? Even if Im wrong about them and everything else, the bottom line is are they better then those 2 teams? I think Bama's loss was A LOT BETTER THEN OK ST LOSS.

Most seem to ignore that they lost after a tragedy that very morning involving the athletic department. It was awful, and that is THE reason they lost that game. OSU would never come out and say that, but it is true. Anyone that follows the program knows the mood of the team that night. It is a much better loss than losing on your home field while have ZERO offense.

[BigBlue]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

16 for football will make the regular season games and confrence championship games less important.

Why not just a simple 8-team tourney... 6 automatic spots going to the Conference champions of the six major confrences. One automatic spot going to the highest rated non BCS confrence champion. And one at-large selection going to the highest rated team who doesn't qualify.

The 1st round would look like so:

8-seed West Virgina at 1-seed LSU
7-seed Clemson at 2-seed Alabama
6-seed Wisconson at 3-seed Oklahoma State
5-seed Boise State at 4-seed Oregon

The remaining games in the playoff tourney would be played at alternating locations like the Rose Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, Sugar Bowl, Orange Bowl, Cotton Bowl, etc.

This would achieve making the regular season more important, making the conference title games more important, and having a meaningful playoff that is way better than the current Bowl system.

Not sure that you could improve on this layout - I hope this is where we're headed.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

16 for football will make the regular season games and confrence championship games less important.

Could they be any less important than the LSU/Alabama game this year looks now?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

16 for football will make the regular season games and confrence championship games less important.

Why not just a simple 8-team tourney... 6 automatic spots going to the Conference champions of the six major confrences. One automatic spot going to the highest rated non BCS confrence champion. And one at-large selection going to the highest rated team who doesn't qualify.

The 1st round would look like so:

8-seed West Virgina at 1-seed LSU
7-seed Clemson at 2-seed Alabama
6-seed Wisconson at 3-seed Oklahoma State
5-seed Boise State at 4-seed Oregon

The remaining games in the playoff tourney would be played at alternating locations like the Rose Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, Sugar Bowl, Orange Bowl, Cotton Bowl, etc.

This would achieve making the regular season more important, making the conference title games more important, and having a meaningful playoff that is way better than the current Bowl system.

Actually that places too much importance on the conference championship games. Imagine if GA had beaten LSU then either Alabama or LSU gets left out. a 16 team tourney (as is done in the lower divisions) allows enough teams in so that the controversy over who doesnt get in is lessened, the conference championships are still important for the all important seeding/home field advantage in the 1st round and since the regular season ends so early there is plenty of time to play the games. Hell they will make so much money they could shave off a regular season game. Does Alabama really need to play Kent state, Ga Southern and North Texas? Having 44 days like they do now between the end of the regular season and the championship is too long as well.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by BigBlue

Not sure that you could improve on this layout - I hope this is where we're headed.

Any format where the 23rd ranked team is in and TCU who won their conference AND beat Boise isnt in can be improved upon though it is still much better than what we have.

[Cannon Shell]

I honestly would rather they take the top 16 teams regardless of conference affiliation. It would make for a better playoff and if you win your conference and arent in the top 16 your conference doesnt deserve a bid.

[BigBlue]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Could they be any less important than the LSU/Alabama game this year looks now?

I think you could argue that it was important due to the fact that Bama played them tough and proved themselves the right choice for "the most highly rated non-qualifying team." You'd like to see Stanford on the list, but they didn't win the conference and, by most accounts, probably not as good as Bama. 8 teams seems about right.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Actually they are leaving a ton of money on the table. A playoff would be far more lucratitive than the BCS. The thing is that the people who make the decisions are corrupt and laughingly so. Can you imagine what the ratings would be for games that actually meant something as opposed to last weekend when the conference championships were fairly meaningless? Just look at some of these BCS bowls this year?
Outside of the Rose and Fiesta bowls which are interesting matchups the others are fairly embarrassing. #13 Michigan versus #11 Va Tech? #23 WV versus #15 Clemson?
40% of BCS bowls dont even have a top 10 team.

think about this 1st round-Hell you could reward the higher seeds by making these home games
LSU vs Va Tech
Alabama vs TCU
Ok State vs Baylor
Stanford vs Clemson
Oregon vs Michigan
Arkansas vs Michigan State
Boise st vs Kansas state
Wisconsin vs South Carolina

Assume that the higher seeds win all the games
2nd round
LSU vs Wisconsin (Outback)
Alabama vs Boise State (Orange)
Ok State vs Arkansas (Cotton)
Stanford vs Oregon (Rose)

LSU vs Stanford (Fiesta)
Alabama vs ok State (Sugar)

LSU vs Alabama


You dont think that series of games to get to LSU/Alabama wouldnt be 50 times more lucratitive? Oh yeah but they would have to share the money, unlike the way the system is set up now...

as i've said in the past, if the money was there, they wouldn't hesitate to look at a change or make a change. what compelling reason is there to change? because some people want it? others don't, or don't care.


i'm in the don't care how it's settled camp. it's just football. i watch it for entertainment. i don't lose sleep over how the 'champ' is crowned. it's not something i have any control over, so i don't worry about it. if they change the system, ok. if they don't, ok.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

OK St is not good. They lost as a 31 point favorite. That alone should make them ineligable for a National Title shot.

they are a damn close to #2 team for a reason. they are good, they had a good year. their only loss in double overtime at a very emotional time for the school.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

a Playoff system wouldnt mean the elimination of the bowl system

fair enough. i guess i can get behind the idea so long as there's room for my 6-7 bruins.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Danzig

as i've said in the past, if the money was there, they wouldn't hesitate to look at a change or make a change. what compelling reason is there to change? because some people want it? others don't, or don't care.


i'm in the don't care how it's settled camp. it's just football. i watch it for entertainment. i don't lose sleep over how the 'champ' is crowned. it's not something i have any control over, so i don't worry about it. if they change the system, ok. if they don't, ok.

The money is there, but it won't go to the same people that are getting it now. That is why there is so much resistance. The schools don't make nearly as much as they should. In a way it reminds me of horse racing.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Danzig

they are a damn close to #2 team for a reason. they are good, they had a good year. their only loss in double overtime at a very emotional time for the school.

Yup I get the emotional time for the school talk, I really do. They were still 31 point favorites. My point is this.... Whos loss is better Bama or OK ST? I dont even think there can be an argument to that question.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Yup I get the emotional time for the school talk, I really do. They were still 31 point favorites. My point is this.... Whos loss is better Bama or OK ST? I dont even think there can be an argument to that question.

If you keep asking that question, you really don't get the emotional part, you just don't.

Let me ask this, who has better wins?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

If you keep asking that question, you really don't get the emotional part, you just don't.

Let me ask this, who has better wins?

Thats not a clear cut answer either. All the "good" teams in the Big 12 sucked this year. Texas, OU?? THey have been horrible.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Thats not a clear cut answer either. All the "good" teams in the Big 12 sucked this year. Texas, OU?? THey have been horrible.

OU is 9-3 and they are horrible? They weren't typical OU, but they were far from horrible. They lost to a very good Baylor team and a stinker to Tech. OSU destroyed them. The loss of Broyles really hurt them the last three games. Beating Texas in Austin handily is not easy even when they are down. For being horrible, they were ranked all year long until losing the last few.

Kansas St. is also very good. Undoubtedly they should be in the Sugar Bowl instead of Virginia Tech...that is a joke. The ACC is a joke when it comes to football these days, and I'm a Maryland fan.

You are easy to figure out though. Rather than try to figure out good wins by Alabama, you deflect. They had 1.5 decent wins...Arkansas and 1/2 for Penn St.