I need to listen to ATR more often

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Well, it's funny on how one hand he can lament people not knowing horses in the past, then on the other hand, he spews that crap out.

LOL

So we now just selectively choose what races and years that are the true measure of a horse?

He was very good as a two year old.
Best pal was a pretty good three year old who ran well in a few big races
As a 4 year old he had a great spring
The rest of career was hit or miss, losing an awful lot to a lot of ordinary horses.

He wasn't exactly John Henry

Y

[The Indomitable DrugS]

For those of us to young to remember any of John Henry's career ... Best Pal was very unique and one hell of a horse when he was on his game before injury and old age caught up... and pretty solid there after.

In other matters .... Cannon ... would you care to guess at my current facebook status...

OK .... what does it mean when a chick changes her relationship status from "single" to "it's complicated" ? A.) The guy who met me at a party a week ago and tapped my fat ass hasn't called me back. B.) I'll fucl< pretty much anybody but you. C.) It's code for 'I'm a sexual degenerate' D.) She's banging dick and munching carpet. E.) She's a drama queen F.) Everybody can go fucl< themselves G.) Other

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

For those of us to young to remember any of John Henry's career ... Best Pal was very unique and one hell of a horse when he was on his game before injury and old age caught up... and pretty solid there after.

In other matters .... Cannon ... would you care to guess at my current facebook status...

E.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

In other matters .... Cannon ... would you care to guess at my current facebook status...

G.

[Cannon Shell]

http://www.drf.com/misc/edit/johnhenry_lifetimepps.pdf

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Best Pal would have never been beat at Jefferson Downs as a 2-year-old ... nor missed the exacta nine straight times at Fairgrounds as a 3yo.

John Henry was as one of a kind as any horse during my lifetime ... shame I missed it all.

[Indian Charlie]

Hey Chucky, don't forget, not very many nice horses get to wait till they are almost four to make their debut.

I'm pretty sure had Z raced as heavily as BP did through her 4yo season, she'd have lost to many ordinary horses.

That was quite the impressive victory over Anabaa's Creation, I'll give you that!

[South Beach Luv]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Best Pal would have never been beat at Jefferson Downs as a 2-year-old ... nor missed the exacta nine straight times at Fairgrounds as a 3yo.

John Henry was as one of a kind as any horse during my lifetime ... shame I missed it all.

I look at him everytime I lay down on my couch

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Best Pal would have never been beat at Jefferson Downs as a 2-year-old ... nor missed the exacta nine straight times at Fairgrounds as a 3yo.

John Henry was as one of a kind as any horse during my lifetime ... shame I missed it all.

Best Pal would never have been at JD as a 2yo.

Compared to the "new" Jefferson Downs (the old one was destroyed by a hurricane), the "old" Fair Grounds looked like Hialeah. JD was a bullring dump, but it had its charms.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

If he didn't go to a PAC 10 school ... you'd probably say Cannon is just an Easterner with a bias against Cal racing.

A bias against Cal racing in regards to a horse from California vs another horse from California?

I'm more likely to say he's just yanking our chains.

He can't really be that much of a smooth operator.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

A bias against Cal racing in regards to a horse from California vs another horse from California?

I'm more likely to say he's just yanking our chains.

He can't really be that much of a smooth operator.

Habitony was not a good synthetic sire

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Habitony was not a good synthetic sire

What about My Habitony?

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Gaining Ground

i dont know if you missed it or not but i asked a question in another thread and am curious about your thoughts. zenyatta is clearly the best synthetic runner we have seen. she might be the best synthetic runner we will ever see. until we are able to see more what is wrong with calling her the best synthetic runner of all time, but not one of the best of all time?

if american racing has historically been dirt and turf, why are some so quick to annoint greatness to a horse who has made 2 starts on one of the surfaces we determine greatness on? i know people want to say synthetics are here and i agree, they are.

tennis seems like a good analogy here. rafael nadal is the best clay court player, maybe ever. but, hes also beat the best on grass and hard court. so far zenyatta has beaten the equine quivalent of james blake on dirt and people want to compare her to rod laver.

I wouldn't object to people calling her the greatest horse of the synthetics era, this discussion has many layers, supposing she ran only on dirt and won those 17 races in a row, many would still question what she has beaten? I believe if she were able to capture the BCC this fall, one would have to be forced to look at her as one of the greatest in the game. I'm not sure what the naysayer would say then, but seeing how many do not want to put her in that select group, I'm sure something trivial will be produced, even if she answers the only question left in her career, beating males on dirt in the toughest dirt race in the world.

[2 Dollar Bill]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The problem in a nutshell is that after 17 races we are still dealing with conjecture. If she were to run against so and so on a dry dirt track....If she were to ship east....if, if, if....

Didnt Bill P. say.... "" You are what your record is "" ?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by 2 Dollar Bill

Didnt Bill P. say.... "" You are what your record is "" ?

I don't think any of Parcells' teams were playing against the NAIA 90% of the time.

[PeteMugg]

Isn't hyperbole the crux of the matter?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I don't think any of Parcells' teams were playing against the NAIA 90% of the time.

Or playing 15 home games a year

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

For those of us to young to remember any of John Henry's career ... Best Pal was very unique and one hell of a horse when he was on his game before injury and old age caught up... and pretty solid there after.

In other matters .... Cannon ... would you care to guess at my current facebook status...

hot mom?

[dean smith]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Or playing 15 home games a year

Eh... aren't all the other horses she's beating also "at home"?

[Patrick333]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

By the way, I think the double standard is ridiculous. Zenyatta is going to go back east twice this year and yet people don't think that is enough.

Some of the New York horses never came out west. If one did come out west twice in a year, that would be considered a very ambitious campaign. Yet Zenyatta going back east twice this year is not enough.

I guess Zenyatta needs to fly back east 3 or 4 times this year. That would be a really smart way to get her to peak on BC day, just keep flying her back and forth from California to the east coast.

Some New York horses do go the Monmouth and Delaware. That's traveling isn't it?