Timmy Ice Tebow...

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Smooth Operator, is that you?

there is a major difference between the best of the best of the best in the world (NFL players) and the cheap crap Zenyatta was racing against in California.

Unfortunately, you dont have to go through high school, college, the combine and the draft to enter in synthetic Grade 1 races.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

if DT makes that 55 yard TD catch he let slip through his hands... and Praters first 29 yard FG isnt blocked.. and the Broncos put up 20 points on Urlacher, Peppers, etc when they had those points in their grasp.... would you guys still be talking the same crap about the Broncos offense?

Would the broncos top 2 recievers be anything more than 4th or 5th WR's on 90% of NFL teams?

I have been saying it since the start of the thread. They have no skill position players. Thomas is OK and young and fast. He also drops balls that Tebow puts right on his hands. He would be an up and coming 3 on most teams. Hes the 1 in Denver. Huge test this weekend for Denver I think we learn a lot more about them. Pats are my team and I have them as the #3 best team in the NFL behind Green Bay and Baltimore right now. Lets see if Denver is even competitive. It wont be a shock if they are.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

i dont think you are a hater. I've just said that the competition arguement is an arguement that "haters" use. because they are making up talking points that lack perspective because tebow keeps doing something they dont think he can do.. win.

I dont think the Broncos will beat the Patriots on sunday. the Pats are a top 3 team in football IMO. but what will be idiotic, is if the pats win, everyone who doesnt root for Tebow will be "hey look and see.. Tebow sucks" and he'll still be 7-2 for a team he took over at 1-4 and everyone predicted they put tebow in so they can get the first pick in the draft.

too true.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I have been saying it since the start of the thread. They have no skill position players. Thomas is OK and young and fast. He also drops balls that Tebow puts right on his hands. He would be an up and coming 3 on most teams. Hes the 1 in Denver. Huge test this weekend for Denver I think we learn a lot more about them. Pats are my team and I have them as the #3 best team in the NFL behind Green Bay and Baltimore right now. Lets see if Denver is even competitive. It wont be a shock if they are.

the should be competitive because of their Defense. and the Pats D is a lot closer to Minny than to Chi-town. but, its still Tom Brady and the Pats are overall better than the Broncos.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Pats are my team and I have them as the #3 best team in the NFL behind Green Bay and Baltimore right now.

Is this the same team that just gave up 24 and 27 points to the Colts and Redskins? You honestly think they're better than Pittsburgh, Houston, New Orleans and San Francisco?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

there is a major difference between the best of the best of the best in the world (NFL players) and the cheap crap Zenyatta was racing against in California.

Unfortunately, you dont have to go through high school, college, the combine and the draft to enter in synthetic Grade 1 races.

Simple question since you totally avoided my post where I broke down the teams Timmy (by himself apparently) has beaten....Are the Chicago Bears a better team with Cutler and Forte or without them?

I mean this whole thing is ridiculous. No sh.it the NFL has the best players in the world. What does that have to do with anything? Some are better than others. Some teams are better than others. Is a win against the Packers the same as beating the Colts right now? Of course not. But by your logic, it is because of how good NFL players are.

[Dahoss]

I love the rooting against him nonsense too. Who's rooting against him here? I hope they win out because I am frothing at the mouth to bet against them first round in the playoffs. Not because I dislike Timmy, but because I think they are a team whose record looks a lot better than it should because of who they have played and the circumstances in those games.

It's no different than betting against a horse that you think has dressed up form. You don't dislike the horse, connections, etc. You have looked at the race and concluded (right or wrong) that the horse looks better than it really is.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Simple question since you totally avoided my post where I broke down the teams Timmy (by himself apparently) has beaten....Are the Chicago Bears a better team with Cutler and Forte or without them?

I mean this whole thing is ridiculous. No sh.it the NFL has the best players in the world. What does that have to do with anything? Some are better than others. Some teams are better than others. Is a win against the Packers the same as beating the Colts right now? Of course not. But by your logic, it is because of how good NFL players are.

Its really no different then how lucky the Bears got last year playing a bunch of 3rd string QB's in a row.

Yesterday was ridiculous and according to Tebow's pastor, it was because of God (See TMZ for story).

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Scav

Yesterday was ridiculous and according to Tebow's pastor, it was because of God (See TMZ for story).

More importantly....Hulk Hogan's wife is alleging Hulk and Brutus the Barber Beefcake had a sexual relationship? I'm so out of the loop.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Is this the same team that just gave up 24 and 27 points to the Colts and Redskins? You honestly think they're better than Pittsburgh, Houston, New Orleans and San Francisco?

Yes I do. Like I said earlier though, Im a hardcore Pats fan but I dont think we are beating the Ravens this year. The D sucks and we dont have a vertical threat. If we did get by Baltimore I really dont think we can beat GB. The Texans will be 1 and done in the playoffs. Even if your Jets play them, I dont like there chances. Pittsburg is banged up, and they barley beat us in Pittsburg, the gap is close. New Orleans is good, but they wont beat Green Bay anyway. Same goes for San Fran.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

More importantly....Hulk Hogan's wife is alleging Hulk and Brutus the Barber Beefcake had a sexual relationship? I'm so out of the loop.

Just saw that lol. I thought it was HBK that he had sexual relations with. His new wife is kinda hot though.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I love the rooting against him nonsense too. Who's rooting against him here? I hope they win out because I am frothing at the mouth to bet against them first round in the playoffs. Not because I dislike Timmy, but because I think they are a team whose record looks a lot better than it should because of who they have played and the circumstances in those games.

It's no different than betting against a horse that you think has dressed up form. You don't dislike the horse, connections, etc. You have looked at the race and concluded (right or wrong) that the horse looks better than it really is.

I agree with this. They are the KC of this year, when they get into the playoffs against a good team, they will be exposed on both sides of the ball.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Yes I do. Like I said earlier though, Im a hardcore Pats fan but I dont think we are beating the Ravens this year. The D sucks and we dont have a vertical threat. If we did get by Baltimore I really dont think we can beat GB. The Texans will be 1 and done in the playoffs. Even if your Jets play them, I dont like there chances. Pittsburg is banged up, and they barley beat us in Pittsburg, the gap is close. New Orleans is good, but they wont beat Green Bay anyway. Same goes for San Fran.

You're severely underestimating how good the Texans are.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

You're severely underestimating how good the Texans are.

I know how good they are. If they do it with a rookie QB Ill have all the respect in the world for them. Baltimore already slammed them in Houston. Whats going to change this time?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

You're severely underestimating how good the Texans are.

With Yates?

If they had Schaub they were my Super Bowl choice but Yates will get exposed, IMO.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Scav

With Yates?

If they had Schaub they were my Super Bowl choice but Yates will get exposed, IMO.

Thats exactly what Im trying to say. I mean they would not be my Super Bowl choice, but I would think they were legit. I would still at the very least have them behind Baltimore in the AFC.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

You're severely underestimating how good the Texans are.

Serious question. Lets assume Baltimore and New England get the first round week off. Pittsburg in Denver and your Jets at Houston. Are you saying Houston will beat the Jets?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Yes I do. Like I said earlier though, Im a hardcore Pats fan but I dont think we are beating the Ravens this year. The D sucks and we dont have a vertical threat. If we did get by Baltimore I really dont think we can beat GB. The Texans will be 1 and done in the playoffs. Even if your Jets play them, I dont like there chances. Pittsburg is banged up, and they barley beat us in Pittsburg, the gap is close. New Orleans is good, but they wont beat Green Bay anyway. Same goes for San Fran.

pats aren't as good as the saints or frisco. or maybe houston-altho the qb question is a big one.
the pats d is horrible, witness yesterdays game with the skins. wash's avg score per game was 17. they almost doubled that.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Serious question. Lets assume Baltimore and New England get the first round week off. Pittsburg in Denver and your Jets at Houston. Are you saying Houston will beat the Jets?

don't know if he is, but i would think so.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Yes I do. Like I said earlier though, Im a hardcore Pats fan but I dont think we are beating the Ravens this year. The D sucks and we dont have a vertical threat. If we did get by Baltimore I really dont think we can beat GB. The Texans will be 1 and done in the playoffs. Even if your Jets play them, I dont like there chances. Pittsburg is banged up, and they barley beat us in Pittsburg, the gap is close. New Orleans is good, but they wont beat Green Bay anyway. Same goes for San Fran.

THe team I really fear is the Giants. I think GB can beat NO again and anyone else who blitzes them, but NY can get there with 4 and I think Rodgers is more dangerous against the blitz than a straight four man rush.

Not worried about: Dallas, Atl, SF (Overated I think), Detroit, Chicago
Concerned about: NO
Worried about : NYG