Jeremy Rose

[slotdirt]

What good is there in the owners and the trainer coming to Rose's defense if they didn't actually think the incident was accidental? I sincerely doubt Jeremy Rose of all people is part of the old boys establishment of horse racing.

[CSC]

This is silly, we have the video, I just viewed it again for good measure. The horse was on the rail at that point she was not lugging in, she was running straight, there is no doubt what Rose's intentions were. Maybe he didn't mean to hit her in the eye, but the target was certainly the head.

[phystech]

If Howard Wolfendale felt Rose intentionally hit his horse to do damage, Howard would have been all over him. Reading Wolfendale's press release tells me a lot and I'll trust his judgement since it was his horse.

One thing you don't do in MD - you don't f*** with Wolfendale.....

[slotdirt]

Right, I'm just saying, if Howard Wolfendale thought this was a deliberate act, I think he'd absolutely be all over Rose, as phystech mentions. Wolfendale's statement definitely muddies the water a bit in this incident.

[CSC]

I don't know Wolfendale and it is hard for me to comment on him.

All I know is any normal person would be upset, unless they view horses as disposable assets. And I am sorry but the truth is like it or not horses are often valued in monetary terms.

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

In my opinion Wolfendale is protecting Rose. It's admirable on one hand and confusing on the other. Either way, what he did was wrong and hopefully the punishment will stay, because it was an inexcusable act.

I guess my only question would be why is he protecting Rose? That's the part I'm trying to figure.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Well.. Once so far. But he does lurk, and may be inclined to weigh in on this..

That will happen right after a herd of cattle flies by my window.

[blackthroatedwind]

By the way, I think Rose is being unfairly vilified for the sins of others and the whole thing stinks.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

That will happen right after a herd of cattle flies by my window.

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[CSC]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

That will happen right after a herd of cattle flies by my window.

Makes you wonder is there an unwritten code between Jockies? And if so how much of what Tony Black says today will be enlightening.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

By the way, I think Rose is being unfairly vilified for the sins of others and the whole thing stinks.

Wow! Really? Your take is that it was unintentional? I'm looking at this situation and not even thinking about other abuses and draw the conclusion that I did. While I'm not on the horse, I don't see one bit of truth from his statement. She wasn't lugging in when he cracked he, she was going straight. And the 2 extra whacks causing her to severely swerve into the oncoming herd behind her, was not only unwarrented but dangerous for the trailing horses and jockeys. What do you think the stews are trying to make up for here?

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

Wow! Really? Your take is that it was unintentional? I'm looking at this situation and not even thinking about other abuses and draw the conclusion that I did. While I'm not on the horse, I don't see one bit of truth from his statement. She wasn't lugging in when he cracked he, she was going straight. And the 2 extra whacks causing her to severely swerve into the oncoming herd behind her, was not only unwarrented but dangerous for the trailing horses and jockeys. What do you think the stews are trying to make up for here?

I think, and I could very well be wrong, that BTW is talking about the chaos that's ensued since derby day.

[Bobby Fischer]

It was expected that the trainer, owner or both would support Rose. This is a business. They want Rose to ride for them Saturday. Not 6 months from now. The money and the people involved is what is important to these guys, and Rose is a top jockey to have on your team.
It isn't a pretty way to look at, but it's real.

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by phystech

If Howard Wolfendale felt Rose intentionally hit his horse to do damage, Howard would have been all over him. Reading Wolfendale's press release tells me a lot and I'll trust his judgement since it was his horse.

One thing you don't do in MD - you don't f*** with Wolfendale.....

Well I am not in MD so here goes. I think, either way, whether it was an accident or delibrate, taking his defense is problematic.
Either you ride a jockey who can accidentally almost put your horses eye out or gets so pissed in a moment of frustration that he "takes him to the woodshed". Either way, there is a problem there.
I agree with Blackthroat in that he is paying for the collective sins of the past. That is problematic but if the sport is going to police itself it has to start somewhere. And, the horse is in the hospital for the injuries he sustained from the jockey. Why would anyone want to ride a joc who can accidentally or maliciously harm your animal to that extent?
Speaking of policing itself, Asmussen is going for another suspension.

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

It was expected that the trainer, owner or both would support Rose. This is a business. They want Rose to ride for them Saturday. Not 6 months from now. The money and the people involved is what is important to these guys, and Rose is a top jockey to have on your team.
It isn't a pretty way to look at, but it's real.

Agreed. It IS not a pretty way of looking at it. But it is unfortunately real for many in the sport.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

Wow! Really? Your take is that it was unintentional?

Where did I say that?

However, and I have watched it many times, I'm not in the business of deciding intent and I dare anyone to tell me they are 100% sure it was intentional.

But, be that as it may, we are in an hysterical environment right now, and decisions made under these kinds of situations are usually rash and rarely the fairest possible. You need to ask yourself what his punishment would have been had this happened a year ago. Now, I understand that one could argue that perhaps that would have also been too lenient, but the speed with which this verdict was handed down, as well as the haste people had to rush to judgement, leads me to believe he isn't getting a fair shake.

You'll have to trust me on this, but I have absolutely zero tolerance for anyone who would be cruel to animals ( save some of the posters on the internet who deserve all the abuse they can get ), however I am just as resolute in my feelings that a rush to judgement during hysterical times is a recipe for error.

[tiggerv]

Wolfendale may be trying to help salvage the kids career. Long term, the real punishment is not going to be the suspension but his reputation. Clumsy accident with the whip or hot headed ass? Big difference in what kind of mounts he'll get in the future.

[CSC]

I honestly believe Rose would have been better served had he just came out and said, I was trying to teach her a lesson... to not lug in, it was never my intention to hurt her, I made a mistake, I am truly sorry to the fans and I am sorry to the connections. I will be a man and take my punishment. I am certain this whole story would have slowly drifted away and we would be concentrating on racing now. But as it stands now, it seems it will be the premier topic for many racing forums I suspect for weeks to come.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Where did I say that?

However, and I have watched it many times, I'm not in the business of deciding intent and I dare anyone to tell me they are 100% sure it was intentional.

But, be that as it may, we are in an hysterical environment right now, and decisions made under these kinds of situations are usually rash and rarely the fairest possible. You need to ask yourself what his punishment would have been had this happened a year ago. Now, I understand that one could argue that perhaps that would have also been too lenient, but the speed with which this verdict was handed down, as well as the haste people had to rush to judgement, leads me to believe he isn't getting a fair shake.

You'll have to trust me on this, but I have absolutely zero tolerance for anyone who would be cruel to animals ( save some of the posters on the internet who deserve all the abuse they can get ), however I am just as resolute in my feelings that a rush to judgement during hysterical times is a recipe for error.

I misunderstood then. That is what I thought you meant by him "being unfairly vilified for the sins of others and the whole thing stinks." My bad, sorry. I agree, the whole thing does stink. In regards to the rush to judgement, I am surprised that it wasn't handled in the manner that the Molina situation was. Didn't they remove him from his mounts and meet with him quite quickly, then impose a sentence only after the meeting?

I have a feeling that in almost a month from now, when his appeal is heard, it won't be as hot of a topic and the sentence will get reduced.

I have to tell you though. I understand the notion that they acted taking into consideration the scrutiny that the industry is under, and maybe the pressures they are feeling because of it, but there were some pretty strong comments from people on this board who I wouldn't think would be influenced by anything that has recently occured, including myself.

No matter how many times I watch it, no matter which angle I watch it from, I can't convince myself it was an accident.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by CSC

I honestly believe Rose would have been better served had he just came out and said, I was trying to teach her a lesson... to not lug in, it was never my intention to hurt her, I made a mistake, I am truly sorry to the fans and I am sorry to the connections. I will be a man and take my punishment. I am certain this whole story would have slowly drifted away and we would be concentrating on racing now. But as it stands now, it seems it will be the premier topic for many racing forums I suspect for weeks to come.

I agree 100%. As an example Clemens vs Pettitte...

Pettitte - "I did it"...It's basically over and you never hear anything about it.

Clemens - "I didn't do it"...They've gone after him, his wife, his mistresses, he used Viagra, etc...and you know what...I can't find 1 person who actually believes him...