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WHAT THE F.UCK?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Riot

There's a difference between hating what Bush did (or what Carter did, or what Regan did, or what Clinton did), and hating Obama. The hate directed against the President personally is disturbing and scary.

Yeah, Bush was repeatedly poked at for being dumb. Where were the daily cries in the media - on the major cable channels - that he was ruining the country, he was Hitler, a communist, a socialist, not an American citizen, etc?

The truely crazy talk was only from the far, far left extremist groups.

I've never seen such overt hate like what is directed towards Obama - not toward the policies, the man - inserted directly into mainstream America, and some people thinking it's acceptable.

That stuff like the utterly ridiculous "Obama isn't a citizen" nonsense even still gets airtime in the mainstream media two years later - unbelievable. Are we really that stupid in this country? Or has our gluttony for all things "reality" desensitized us to crazy and dangerous?

People were pretty mean to Bush. It got to the point where I felt kind of sorry for the guy.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Riot

You just inserted your argument into the middle of an exchange about the 1800's

OK, sorry -- I admit that I missed parts of this thread as of late.

[joeydb]

I'm surprised that it's this soon, but Bush's Administration, for all his mistakes, is already "the good old days". This guy Obama is terrible. And I'm not convinced that he's so brilliant either. Just my opinion.

Wait until you see what Obama has in store for us -- not going to go over well with the non-Marxists here who love freedom.

[Danzig]

it's generally the party not in power that starts talking about wanting to be bi-partisan. of course the majority party says 'sure, we'll try' and they do no more in that regard then their opposition did when they were the majority. in reality, otherwise there would be no reason to have a party 'in control', if you're the majority-of course you're going to have more things go your way when you're in control. and since one would have to assume the majority of voters wanted that party in power, then you'd have to think voters aren't necessarily striving for bi-partisanship either. they gave control to the dems for a reason i would think... supposedly our system is set up so that no one gets too powerful-and i think for the most part that is the case.

as for who hates who more, we could spend all day playing tit for tat on any issue regarding left vs right-it would all come out equal in the end. because, at the end of the day, these guys are pols first and last. lieberman and specter prove that point.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

It is hilarious to watch the constant whining by the right wingers in the media and on this forum.

I do agree that hating Bush was pretty much a bi partisan attitude.

Oh the poor right wingers. Read this thread and you can see first hand the problem with your outdated little party. One guy wants to adjust minimum wage with CPI and the other is touting Jeb Bush as your 2012 Presidential candidate.

Keep it up boys.

Whining? lol. Bankers, now there are some whiners...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

There's a difference between hating what Bush did (or what Carter did, or what Regan did, or what Clinton did), and hating Obama. The hate directed against the President personally is disturbing and scary.

Yeah, Bush was repeatedly poked at for being dumb. Where were the daily cries in the media - on the major cable channels - that he was ruining the country, he was Hitler, a communist, a socialist, not an American citizen, etc?

The truely crazy talk was only from the far, far left extremist groups.

I've never seen such overt hate like what is directed towards Obama - not toward the policies, the man - inserted directly into mainstream America, and some people thinking it's acceptable.

That stuff like the utterly ridiculous "Obama isn't a citizen" nonsense even still gets airtime in the mainstream media two years later - unbelievable. Are we really that stupid in this country? Or has our gluttony for all things "reality" desensitized us to crazy and dangerous?

What world do you live in? Obama has suffered more personal attacks than Bush? Are you kidding? Far, far left groups like CNN or MSNBC or the NY Times?

Give some examples of overt hate toward Obama. Please enlighten us.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

There's a difference between hating what Bush did (or what Carter did, or what Regan did, or what Clinton did), and hating Obama. The hate directed against the President personally is disturbing and scary.

Yeah, Bush was repeatedly poked at for being dumb. Where were the daily cries in the media - on the major cable channels - that he was ruining the country, he was Hitler, a communist, a socialist, not an American citizen, etc?

The truely crazy talk was only from the far, far left extremist groups.

I've never seen such overt hate like what is directed towards Obama - not toward the policies, the man - inserted directly into mainstream America, and some people thinking it's acceptable.

That stuff like the utterly ridiculous "Obama isn't a citizen" nonsense even still gets airtime in the mainstream media two years later - unbelievable. Are we really that stupid in this country? Or has our gluttony for all things "reality" desensitized us to crazy and dangerous?

Your finest work ever .

Lord....He is Hitler? Never heard that show. The socialist argument I understand and in some ways agree with and although I believe he is a citizen just show the original birth certificate if nothing else to save money on the pending lawsuits. So what if he's a year older he's not pitching in the Little League World Series or anything serious. Think you're getting hate confused with disapprove.

And did you forget about the lefties including a former Dem congresswomen that thought 9-11 was orchestrated by the Bush Admin? Starting a war and killing American soldiers just for personal financial interests or some family vendetta? And Grandpa Bush supporting the Nazi's by supplying them oil in WWII?

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by joeydb

I'm surprised that it's this soon, but Bush's Administration, for all his mistakes, is already "the good old days". This guy Obama is terrible. And I'm not convinced that he's so brilliant either. Just my opinion.

Wait until you see what Obama has in store for us -- not going to go over well with the non-Marxists here who love freedom.

He isn't brilliant that's for sure. People are catching on, some just have to be hit over the head repeatedly before it sinks in.

Obama has as much credibility as a pushy used car salesman, or as Vince the Sham Wow pitchman. the only difference is the Sham Wow guy is hawking much better products than Obama, and he doesn't lie as much.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it's generally the party not in power that starts talking about wanting to be bi-partisan. of course the majority party says 'sure, we'll try' and they do no more in that regard then their opposition did when they were the majority. in reality, otherwise there would be no reason to have a party 'in control', if you're the majority-of course you're going to have more things go your way when you're in control. and since one would have to assume the majority of voters wanted that party in power, then you'd have to think voters aren't necessarily striving for bi-partisanship either. they gave control to the dems for a reason i would think... supposedly our system is set up so that no one gets too powerful-and i think for the most part that is the case.

as for who hates who more, we could spend all day playing tit for tat on any issue regarding left vs right-it would all come out equal in the end. because, at the end of the day, these guys are pols first and last. lieberman and specter prove that point.

This is poor logic. People dont vote for the entire govt, just their own jurisdiction. The party in power is supposed to be representing the entire citizenship of the country and when bills are passed that dont have a single vote from the opposition party they most certainly are ignoring a large segment of that citizenship. Implying that people are "whining" when major and far reaching legislation is passed time and time again on strict party lines shows a distinct partisanship in itself. Knocking Bush or the GOP doesnt make what the Democrats are doing right or healthy for the country. Labeling the GOP obstructionists when they dont roll over is shows a certain amount of ignorance. The party in charge has the responsibility to reachout in a bipartisan manner, not the minority. Duh!

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What world do you live in? Obama has suffered more personal attacks than Bush? Are you kidding? Far, far left groups like CNN or MSNBC or the NY Times?

Give some examples of overt hate toward Obama. Please enlighten us.

Riot had to be posting drunk last night.. she was even more off base then usual.

Its hilarious to hear that Obama is more attacked then Bush... Here's the second for me today on a Riot post!

[Smooth Operator]

Bush should be in an orange jumpsuit scrubbing urinals with Madoff right now because of what happened to this economy on his watch, in my estimation.



Cheney, Cox, and Paulson too...

[Cannon Shell]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/21/opinion/21brooks.html

Here maybe this author is more palatible for majority party members in here.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Your finest work ever .

Lord....He is Hitler? Never heard that show. The socialist argument I understand and in some ways agree with and although I believe he is a citizen just show the original birth certificate if nothing else to save money on the pending lawsuits. So what if he's a year older he's not pitching in the Little League World Series or anything serious. Think you're getting hate confused with disapprove.

And did you forget about the lefties including a former Dem congresswomen that thought 9-11 was orchestrated by the Bush Admin? Starting a war and killing American soldiers just for personal financial interests or some family vendetta? And Grandpa Bush supporting the Nazi's by supplying them oil in WWII?

The one thing I cant stand is this freaking stupid birth certificate stuff. It makes people sound plain dumb and makes you not want to listen to anything else they have to say. You really think that a man.. any man or woman.. could become the president of the USA without having a birth certificate that proves he was born here?

Honestly its as dumb and annoying as Bush created 9-11 so he could finish his fathers war. If I never heard mention of Obama's birth Cert ever again I would have a better life.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Bush should be in an orange jumpsuit scrubbing urinals with Madoff right now because of what happened to this economy on his watch, in my estimation.



Cheney, Cox, and Paulson too...

Amazing. You supposedly are making these huge sums of money in the market yet you want to lash out at those who you claim made it possible? Orangejump suits were made for former USC football players.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Amazing. You supposedly are making these huge sums of money in the market yet you want to lash out at those who you claim made it possible? Orangejump suits were made for former USC football players.

It is puzzling because people don't lie on the internet.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Whining? lol. Bankers, now there are some whiners...

LOL. we cant blame our problems on tracks or loose shoes.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Your finest work ever .

Lord....He is Hitler? Never heard that show. The socialist argument I understand and in some ways agree with and although I believe he is a citizen just show the original birth certificate if nothing else to save money on the pending lawsuits. So what if he's a year older he's not pitching in the Little League World Series or anything serious. Think you're getting hate confused with disapprove.

And did you forget about the lefties including a former Dem congresswomen that thought 9-11 was orchestrated by the Bush Admin? Starting a war and killing American soldiers just for personal financial interests or some family vendetta? And Grandpa Bush supporting the Nazi's by supplying them oil in WWII?

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment...3061950.column

"Just last month, the Hawaii Department of Health confirmed to the Honolulu Star-Bulletin that the document is the only official record of the president's birth and proves he was born in that state.

But conspiracy theorists argue that the lack of an underlying paper document (the so-called long-form birth certificate) proves a cover-up.

That ignores multiple truths including this one: Hawaii's records, like those in many states, have gone electronic, and the certification document is accepted by both the state and national government as full proof of citizenship. To insist otherwise is to embrace the notion that thousands upon thousands of Hawaiians have obtained their U.S. passports, using similar documents, fraudulently."

To believe the wild theories, one must also accept that Obama's mother -- rather than apply for citizenship for her son as one would expect if he had been born overseas -- launched an elaborate hoax. It would have begun in 1961 with her placing false birth notices in Honolulu's two daily newspapers. Diabolical.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Obama has as much credibility as a pushy used car salesman, or as Vince the Sham Wow pitchman.

Oh man...that's good.

[dalakhani]

[quote=ArlJim78]He isn't brilliant that's for sure. People are catching on, some just have to be hit over the head repeatedly before it sinks in.

QUOTE]

You supported bush...and we are supposed to respect your ability to judge intelligence in a president?

Somehow, this all makes sense.