Obama's support for Ground Zero Mosque

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Freedom of Religion is not just about being able to open a place of worship. It's also about:

1) being able to leave a religion without your life being threatened.

2) not having to change your life simply because someone from a certain religion wants you to.

3) Many people don't like religion, and they need protection from all people that do like religion.

Each and every damn day in this country, we fail miserably at these 3 things. Why is it that the religious freedom of this one group (who have a ton of mosques on this island already) is so paramount, and we don't care about other people's religious freedom at all? There are plenty of counties in this country that won't sell you alcohol on Sundays. Utah has weird rules about what part of the day you can buy alcohol. We have a right to be protected from people in these religions involved, but we never are. Yet, when this religious group feels pressure against them building a mosque at a sensitive site, every Liberal with a pulse cares deeply about religious freedom. Where's your concern about the freedom to leave a religion? You're real spotty with your concern about religious freedom. You could not care less about whether Moslem women have the freedom to leave a religion they may not want anymore. That freedom is not that important to you, but the location of the Mosque she's forced to go to is very important to you. They must have that Mosque exactly where they choose.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Freedom of Religion is not just about being able to open a place of worship. It's also about:

1) being able to leave a religion without your life being threatened.

2) not having to change your life simply because someone from a certain religion wants you to.

3) Many people don't like religion, and they need protection from all people that do like religion.

Each and every damn day in this country, we fail miserably at these 3 things. Why is it that the religious freedom of this one group (who have a ton of mosques on this island already) is so paramount, and we don't care about other people's religious freedom at all? There are plenty of counties in this country that won't sell you alcohol on Sundays. Utah has weird rules about what part of the day you can buy alcohol. We have a right to be protected from people in these religions involved, but we never are. Yet, when this religious group feels pressure against them building a mosque at a sensitive site, every Liberal with a pulse cares deeply about religious freedom. Where's your concern about the freedom to leave a religion? You're real spotty with your concern about religious freedom. You could not care less about whether Moslem women have the freedom to leave a religion they may not want anymore. That freedom is not that important to you, but the location of the Mosque she's forced to go to is very important to you. They must have that Mosque exactly where they choose.

I wonder what Riot's defense is about the Koran saying that anyone that leaves Islam must die. I don't know how she could defend that. She probably won't. She'll just say that we're the bad ones for bringing it up. How dare you bring that up! You are a racist and a bigot!

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I wonder what Riot's defense is about the Koran saying that anyone that leaves Islam must die. I don't know how she could defend that. She probably won't. She'll just say that we're the bad ones for bringing it up. How dare you bring that up! You are a racist and a bigot!

You are worse than Hitler!!

[clyde]

Anyone leaving the Dooryard must die.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92d1xtjXf8E

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I don't want to help them do anything but leave that religion. I don't want to pay for taking care of their inbreeding mistakes, or lose any more decent people (not even 1 more) when one of them decides to follow their prophets most severe teachings. These people follow the teachings of a butcher. Nothing good can come from somebody who chooses to follow such a person. You should make sure they have the freedom to leave that religion without being threatened by other members of that religion. That is the help they need. They deserve the right to get out. People who want to leave should feel secure to do so. That is the American Freedom of Religion that Moslems really need. Every American Moslem should be in that religion because they totally want to be in it. Not because they fear other Moslems.

i agree completely!!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I think that loser pastor that protests military funerals should be restricted religious expression based on other's sensitivities also.

it would be nice to do so, since i think his actions are unpardonable. however, there's no legal way to stifle them-unless of course funerals were made invitation only-and i don't even know that would work.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

this is so wrong. if it was thankfully small, we wouldnt be bothered by it.

it is a thankfully small percentage, huge #'s. 10% of a billion is 100,000,000

That is the size of 1/3 of the USA population. Is it still thankfully small?

it is small-the problem is that one dipshit willing to kill himself to take others with him can kill hundreds of people in one attack. when you think about the total amount of muslims in the world-well, if they all wanted to commit mass mayhem and murder, we'd all be done for.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I wonder what Riot's defense is about the Koran saying that anyone that leaves Islam must die. I don't know how she could defend that. She probably won't. She'll just say that we're the bad ones for bringing it up. How dare you bring that up! You are a racist and a bigot!

i'm figuring the powers that be in rome wish they'd thought of it.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i'm figuring the powers that be in rome wish they'd thought of it.

I've heard that it's sometimes hard to leave Scientology once you become a member. They will sometimes harrass people and make their life miserable if they try to leave the group.

I hope Riot isn't a Scientology apologist. If she is, she'll probably call me a Scientology-phobe.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I've heard that it's sometimes hard to leave Scientology once you become a member. They will sometimes harrass people and make their life miserable if they try to leave the group.

I hope Riot isn't a Scientology apologist. If she is, she'll probably call me a Scientology-phobe.

Too bad she's right about so much that you guys just hate on

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I've heard that it's sometimes hard to leave Scientology once you become a member. They will sometimes harrass people and make their life miserable if they try to leave the group.

I hope Riot isn't a Scientology apologist. If she is, she'll probably call me a Scientology-phobe.

i know if you leave the mormon religion, you've pretty much severed ties with family and friends. but, it's better than dead.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I wonder what Riot's defense is about the Koran saying that anyone that leaves Islam must die. I don't know how she could defend that. She probably won't. She'll just say that we're the bad ones for bringing it up. How dare you bring that up! You are a racist and a bigot!

If either Scuds or you were as knowledgable about Islam as you thought you were, you'd know that only a certain subset follows that part of Sharia law. I know that doesn't fit into the non-stop "I'm justified" hate meme. Yup.

[Riot]

An American taxi-driver in NY was stabbed yesterday. His drunk passenger got in and asked him if he was Muslim, and when he said yes, he was stabbed.

The taxi driver will be okay. The offender is being charged with attempted murder as hate crime.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_694285.html

Of course, the nonstop "hate Muslim" crap on the internet and TV didn't have a damn thing to do with that. Naw, no ginning up of hate there, making it "publicly acceptable" to hate Muslims.

Maybe it proves "all Christians" are religious murderers, though ... hum ....

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i know if you leave the mormon religion, you've pretty much severed ties with family and friends. but, it's better than dead.

There are quite a few Mormons in the town I live (I know quite a few), and that's not true here in the least. Maybe they are not "real" Mormons.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

There are quite a few Mormons in the town I live (I know quite a few), and that's not true here in the least. Maybe they are not "real" Mormons.

i just know what i've read and seen in the past. may not be so much a case elsewhere, but in salt lake city and the surrounding environs, it's very much the way it is. i've seen former mormons talking about it, most recently when i finally watched bill maher's religulous.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i just know what i've read and seen in the past. may not be so much a case elsewhere, but in salt lake city and the surrounding environs, it's very much the way it is. i've seen former mormons talking about it, most recently when i finally watched bill maher's religulous.

I think there are (obviously, as with all other religions) different sects, church groups, followers, that don't take some things literally, etc. Not all Baptist, Lutheran, Christian, Catholic church groups are the same.

Excerpt from Bob Cesca today, in HuffPost, "The Summer of Republican Race-Baiting" Discusses Obama as Muslim, Shirley Sherrod, anchor babies, and:

The Park51 community center.

The Republicans are making another attempt to brand September 11th. But this time, there's a bonus racial component emerging in the usual anti-Muslim fear-mongering. A considerable number of American Muslims happen to be black, so not only does the Park51 issue serve to tweak jingoistic and religious bellicosity, but it also tosses African Americans into the mix.

The most obvious example of the latter is the disgusting video footage of an African American carpenter (who happens to be working on the new 1 World Trade Center tower) being accosted by a mob of screaming white protesters outside the old Burlington Coat Factory building. His trespass? He apparently seemed Muslim-ish to the crowd -- even after he shouted, "I'm not even Muslim!" I suppose his choice of a white Under Armour hat and his, you know, blackness screamed "evildoer." As we all know, Under Armour is a major supplier of popular sportswear and radical Islamic headgear. Hating America for its freedom requires fabric that wicks moisture (feel free to use that in your next commercial, Under Armour).

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Riot

If either Scuds or you were as knowledgable about Islam as you thought you were, you'd know that only a certain subset follows that part of Sharia law. I know that doesn't fit into the non-stop "I'm justified" hate meme. Yup.

Which subset is responsible for the 112 cars a day being burned in France and then all the new unrest in England? How would you handle it if that violent action came near you?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Which subset is responsible for the 112 cars a day being burned in France and then all the new unrest in England?

You tell me, Timmi. Do you think age or poverty or lack of jobs has anything to do with that? What sect to you think flew airplanes into the Pentagon and WTC? How would you handle that? Round up all the Muslims in America, maybe put them in interment camps?

Originally Posted by Riot

You tell me, Timmi. Do you think age or poverty or lack of jobs has anything to do with that? What sect to you think flew airplanes into the Pentagon and WTC? How would you handle that? Round up all the Muslims in America, maybe put them in interment camps?

Keep saying it and you might persuade most posters on here to follow that line of thinking just to get you to stfu, you redundant slit.