Occupy Wall Street

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dino

Now just what does Occupy Wall Street have to do with unemployment? If it had anything to do with unemployment they wouldn't be protesting because it would make thier Liberal/Socialist savior look bad.
No only did the BILLIONS in job creation money not create any jobs but he also gave BILLIONS to Wall Street to bail them out.
Just curious if there is anyone out there that actually things this bum has done a good job?

He who? George Bush who started the whole bail out Wallstreet fiasco? To answer your question vis a vis Obama. I think he has done an awful job. I expected more yet got another career politician.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

I am not saying that. I am saying that the likes of those uber conservatives crying free market have no problem taking advantage of H1B's and using illegals vs paying a rate that would attract American Citizens. Free Market only when it suits them , eventually someone will take the job and it wouldn't be at the absurd levels quoted above by our resident Economist.

are you saying only hib's work at the track? i don't think so. but anyone who takes that job is ok, but if an hib, they're being taken advantage of? no, not at all. it's a better situation than at home, which is why they do it. they aren't forced to accept those jobs.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Danzig

are you saying only hib's work at the track? i don't think so. but anyone who takes that job is ok, but if an hib, they're being taken advantage of? no, not at all. it's a better situation than at home, which is why they do it. they aren't forced to accept those jobs.

Please show me where I said that??? Otherwise cut the bull with trying to frame my post to something other that supports your response. Thank you in advance.

So here is the deal. When someone gets an H1B visa they are allowed ONLY to work for their sponsor. Their only option is to leave, they are not free to find a company that will pay them more. They have ZERO bargining power. Is That a Free Market? So American labor forced to compete with indentured servitude. Wouldn't the removal of that restriction level the playing field a bit? And the if they don't like it leave response doesn't address the issue and certainly won't get us out of this depression.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

Please show me where I said that??? Otherwise cut the bull with trying to frame my post to something other that supports your response. Thank you in advance.

So here is the deal. When someone gets an H1B visa they are allowed ONLY to work for their sponsor. Their only option is to leave, they are not free to find a company that will pay them more. They have ZERO bargining power. Is That a Free Market? So American labor forced to compete with indentured servitude. Wouldn't the removal of that restriction level the playing field a bit? And the if they don't like it leave response doesn't address the issue and certainly won't get us out of this depression.

no need to get snarky. i quoted your post, above, where you said people have no issue with taking advantage of h1b's. i've been to the backside of tracks, it was a cross section of people, just like anywhere else.

h1b's make the choice they make; it's not forced on them. many come here because it's better than where they are, they make more money here than where they are. they don't come here as indentured servants-that's ridiculous. obviously if it wasn't worth their while, they wouldn't come!
everything is based on supply and demand. if the money offered isn't enough, people don't take the offer. the offer rises. that's generally how things work-whereas in selling products, you state a price, if no takers you lower it.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Danzig

no need to get snarky. i quoted your post, above, where you said people have no issue with taking advantage of h1b's. i've been to the backside of tracks, it was a cross section of people, just like anywhere else.

h1b's make the choice they make; it's not forced on them. many come here because it's better than where they are, they make more money here than where they are. they don't come here as indentured servants-that's ridiculous. obviously if it wasn't worth their while, they wouldn't come!
everything is based on supply and demand. if the money offered isn't enough, people don't take the offer. the offer rises. that's generally how things work-whereas in selling products, you state a price, if no takers you lower it.

Sorry if you thought I was Snarky but that is a pet peeve of mine. You totally didn't address the key part of my point. The indentured servitude, "so are you saying" it is fine for Americans to compete agains Quasi-Slave labor

[Danzig]

i guess i didn't address the point, because i'm not getting the point. you see it as forced labor, or indentured labor, i don't.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i guess i didn't address the point, because i'm not getting the point. you see it as forced labor, or indentured labor, i don't.

That is true and our politicions also don't get the point meanwhile we slide deeper into the abyss, millions losing their homes, children going to bed hungry and we continue to look the other way as China and India invade and take over the country from the inside out. Me, I'm fine and you are probably to.. For Now.. If we continue on this path your grandchildren certainly won't be fine.

[Danzig]

well, just look at that billion we spent to get qaddafi. no doubt that'll pay handsome dividends.
of course, right now everything is just pissing me off. i'm in a foul mood.

[clyde]

Say something dirty.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Danzig

well, just look at that billion we spent to get qaddafi. no doubt that'll pay handsome dividends.
of course, right now everything is just pissing me off. i'm in a foul mood.

I bought into him bringing home the troops so we have some common ground.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by clyde

Say something dirty.

mud

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

I bought into him bringing home the troops so we have some common ground.

i knew it wouldn't happen. when a pols lips move, he's lying. obama, as i said during the campaign, would find out what he could and could not do when he won the election. all those promises, oops. gitmo, still open. iraq, still there, and trying to remain there. afganistan, now the longest war in u.s. history, and no sign of leaving. so, he bitched about the war costs, and jumps in and spends a billion on libya. AWESOME!

[clyde]

"mud"



eauxh!!




You sewer mouth,you!


more!

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by jms62

China and India invade and take over the country from the inside out. Me, I'm fine and you are probably to.. For Now.. If we continue on this path your grandchildren certainly won't be fine.

My work predominately deals in the hospitality industry and I am very familiar with east Indians and their businesses. Simply put they have a work ethic Americans, as a whole, don't have. In their culture it's common to have a owner of as many as a dozen hotels still willing to fill in for a absent maid and vacuum or run extra towels etc. They start out with a six unit 'dive', with a couple thousand down, save every penny they can by having the entire family working and move up the ladder. It is in their culture to own and operate their own business and it is not uncommon for a M.D. to give up his/her practice to focus solely on hotels after just being an investor.

During a interview where the question, 'What are your hobbies?' was asked, a man who owned over a dozen hotels worth between $3 and $10 million each answered, 'I have no hobbies. Hobbies cost money'.

Face it, we can't compete with that!

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by jms62

You realize that there are folks on here that read your sh*it and make the decision never to use a pompus ass know it all as their trainer.
?

I call bullshit.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I call bullshit.

I wasn't referring to myself if that is what you are getting at.

[Antitrust32]

What I'm getting at is there arent people who come to Nerdy Trail Politics section to decide who to pick as a horse trainer.

[jms62]

Not so sure about that . It's not that they come here to make the decision, they come here and see the rantings and don't even give consideration when the time comes.

[Antitrust32]

If I had money and horses my trainer could be an ex-felon Commie if he or she could win me races!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jms62

Typical fuking trainer hating on the customer. You are so out of line.
Are you saying that there are no undocumented employees on the backside?
http://my.firedoglake.com/rayne/2011...al-immigrants/
http://www.alipac.us/article-print-6003.html
http://www.paulickreport.com/news/th...ented-workers/
I don't proclaim to know everything about your business unlike you who knows everything about the economy yet spends most of his day parked under a horses ass. Now you are into name calling and getting personal, if I were you I'd focus on Occupy the Winners Circle instead of acting like a know it all on this board.. You realize that there are folks on here that read your sh*it and make the decision never to use a pompus ass know it all as their trainer.
Now back to the MIT issue do you really think for one second that ONLY folks with a degree from MIT will be granted a VISA?

You are not my customer, you are nameless, faceless troll. If people wouldnt send me a horse based on posts on an internet board they probably wouldnt be very good clients anyway. Your innocent act is laughable considering you are the one who is always taking shots at my business and me personally which works for you since no one knows who the hell you are or what you do. You dont know anything about me or my business. Grow up and discuss the issues without trying to run me down or interject insults whenever possible.