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06-22-2006, 06:08 PM
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06-22-2006, 06:10 PM
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KYroses, there is only 1 "Bid". Let's not go there. LOL
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06-22-2006, 06:12 PM
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RIP old buddy. Last edited by kentuckyrosesinmay : 06-22-2006 at 06:16 PM.
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06-22-2006, 06:16 PM
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Minister Bid
I think it is very foolish to knock a horse, any horse.
Minister Bid did the job. Bottom line, he won.... He will only improve off that effort... where that leads no one really knows, but it is obvious he has some talent. Charlie Whittingham said never know a horse until he is dead... Minister Bid has not died yet.... PSH
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#25
06-22-2006, 06:18 PM
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My two cents
Yea, he won but did you see the way the jockey worked him for the lasy half of a race. To me he just past horses a little more tired than him and since they were in a speed duel together most the race he did not win with any resolve. Nice horse for a Thursday feature but didn't show me anything special. At least Strong Contender looked special even though he hasn't amounted to anything yet either. Nothing to hope for here as far as I;m concerned.
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#26
06-22-2006, 07:29 PM
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Ministers Bid is not a son of Spectacular Bid. He's by Deputy Minister-Princess Petrina (Spectacular Bid). The one and only Bid was the broodmare sire. DTS
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#27
06-22-2006, 08:18 PM
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The story...thought you all read it before the race.
My bad, shoulda posted it before. http://www.nyra.com/belmont/second.aspx?track=B&id=2102
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06-22-2006, 08:24 PM
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#29
06-22-2006, 08:38 PM
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Ministers Bid looked like another overhyped Ward/Oxley horse, just like Strong Contender. Flashy Bull and Racketeert are slugs. They basically walked home. Bernardni's only 3yr old competition is going to come from a freshened Sweetnorthernsaint, a freshened Brother Derek or Showing Up. Those 3 are his only competition in my opinion. Corinthian is just too far behind the 8 ball.
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#30
06-22-2006, 08:47 PM
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I think the race was a push, it wasn't that good or bad. I have been all over this horse, but I don't think today told us anything either way, only that he won. Those were pretty good horses he beat, I will reserve further judgement until the next race, but I don't think this was a definitive race either way...
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#31
06-22-2006, 09:17 PM
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He's a nice colt....he wasn't having the best time of things before the race yet he still destroyed two decent 3-year-olds that had a lot more experience than him.....I loved this colt's maiden win and I truly believe he is a good horse....Do I think he can be Bernardini or Discreet Cat-type material?...No, but he is nice...I just don't care for his connections...John Ward usually doesn't get it all out of his horses...
...He can impact the late summer 3-year-old races...
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#32
06-22-2006, 10:37 PM
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He had a perfect trip and was ridden hard to beat two OK, but decidedly lesser, 3YOs.
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#33
06-22-2006, 10:57 PM
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Not a bad race. Strong Contender II ? He just adds to a Spa meet with contenders for the Jim Dandy and Travers. From a betting stand point, it doesn't get better than that.
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06-23-2006, 12:02 AM
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Yea,it is not the race I was thinking I might see from him,but he beat stakes type horses fairly easily(although having to be whipped to do it.)He will have to be better than that,but it did seem as if he was not very cranked up by the trainer just yet.Very difficult to say just where this horse fits in as far as the 3 year olds go this year. He sure didn't look like a 2 turn horse to me,but his breeding says he is(and his trainer thinks he is.) If they wanted to win without blowing his wad,then mission accomplished.
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#35
06-23-2006, 10:10 AM
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I tend to agree w/Scuds here. Racketeer's last was on turf and his race before that was an experiment trying to rate so on a good day, he's only 2 1/2 behind Point Determined and AP Warrior so he's a decent 3YO. Same w/Flashy Bull. On paper there was very little speed in the race so it was going to be difficult to make up any ground. I don't know what some people on here were expecting but I don't understand the criticism.....I guess they were expecting a monster win margin ridden out. Get a grip. It was his first time going long, his second career race, and once Prado got him straightened out he leveled out pretty good in the final sixteenth. This is a very good horse.
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#36
06-23-2006, 11:07 AM
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... Minister's Bid was kept four-wide around the entire turn ... raced greenly until the eighth-pole ... and responded well when he switched leads and hit his best stride. He ran his final quarter in about :26 flat ... which isn't great ... but not so bad considering that half of it was run off-stride. A very decent effort for a second start ... and he's certainly eligible to improve. I wouldn't write him off just yet.
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#37
06-23-2006, 11:28 AM
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...Contrary to what you may believe, Flashy Bull (only a couple lengths from winning the FOY) and Racketeer (only a couple of lengths behind California's best earlier this year) aren't exactly mules....just because they aren't Derby-caliber contenders doesn't mean that they are walk-overs... For those of you who are interested and believe in beyer speed figs (which I don't necessarily do), Minister' Bid got a 101 for yesterday's effort - which is ot horrible for a colt making his second lifetime start.....AND, he'll only improve around two-turns.. ....For blackthroatedwind to dub yesterday's performance as unimpressive, that is a horrible analysis....this horse can run
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#38
06-23-2006, 11:34 AM
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I don't think anyone's writing off an obviously talented horse, but I've seen comments to the effect that MB is as good as the best (or better than) the best 3 year olds, he should be Travers favorite, etc....That is simply premature (very premature, actually) at this point. For one thing, Bernardini is out there. IMO, he is far more talented than his peers and is one of most talented horses, period, in the country. Plus, he's proven himself -let's not forget what he did in the Preakness (only 4th start, none around two turns, etc......). His Withers was tremendous, but no one knew really how good he was before the Preakness (could he even class up to the better 3 year olds?) so if I had said then that he was a top 3 year old, that would have been premature. Same thing with MB.
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#39
06-23-2006, 11:48 AM
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Speaking of Bernardini, didn't he get around a 101 when he won the Withers in basically a match race? That was career start number 3, and I think yesterday's NW1X with Racketeer and Flashy Bull (and others) was decidedly stronger than the graded Withers. After two races, Minister's Bid is every bit as good as Bernardini was after his first two (actually three) races. It wasn't until the Preakness that Bernardini really moved forward.
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#40
06-23-2006, 11:50 AM
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I will once again repeat, I believe yesterday's win was unimpressive, especially in relation to the hype this horse has generated. I realize you have already developed a built in excuse for his future failures ( John Ward being, according to you, a bad trainer ) but I would like to know your prediction for the future.....good or bad? I believe suggesting he will improve around two turns, as you did, is a " horrible analysis " ( you don't mind if I borrow that one from you...do you? ). This is a closing sprinter. Perhaps if they don't ruin him before that he will do OK in this Fall's Jerome. By the way, horses go into drives for a variety of reasons, and I didn't give one in the case of Racketeer, but merely pointed out that he was in one very early in the race. And, oh yeah, The Fountain of Youth was a HORRIBLE race this year and I suggest you take a good look at the subsequent performances by the entrants in that race. Last edited by blackthroatedwind : 06-23-2006 at 11:52 AM.
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