My Problem With Religion

[randallscott35]

Well PP, he actually wasn't the father so I guess Maury could pull that show off.

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

My concern IS that you'll be totally comfortable without coming up with the answer. You are a scientist,and the questions you face in various fields can be answered by the next generation(or the guy sitting next to you),but we are here for a short time and that question MUST be answered by everyone.

Science cannot and never will be able to answer many things I would like to know.

What is the question that must be answered by everyone? When must it be answered? And how did you personally determine the answers you will give me?

[Danzig]

i just wish people would keep it simple. be good. be nice to people, don't be an ******* like rand says in his signature line. no one should have to preach to you (at you) for you to do the right thing. why does it have to involve a third party? why does some guy have to live a single, lonely life so he can tell you on sundays how to live?
i was raised a catholic. i haven't been to church in years, nor do i feel the lack. i've raised my kids to follow the golden rule. it's not rocket science!
do i believe a guy named jesus walked the earth? yes. do i think he set good examples about how to treat others? yes. what else do you need, or need to be told? all this judgemental crap...all the shooting, wars, crusades, it's all b.s. and the complete opposite of what religion is supposed to be about!

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Science cannot and never will be able to answer many things I would like to know.

What is the question that must be answered by everyone? When must it be answered? And how did you personally determine the answers you will give me?

P: what??? there aren't any Christian scientists?? The question everyone(expect the people I was talking about in Romans 2) has to answer is: What are you gonna do about Jesus? 2) It's gotta be answered while you're still kickin 3) Faith,Bible,Study, and experience(some of it is even empirical)

[GenuineRisk]

I'm mad at radical Christians right now because they sent death threats to a hotel and thus deprived me of chocolate Jesus:

http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=8021

Be sure to click on the Digby link at the end of Cole's post.

And also mad at the hotel for deliberatly setting up a provocative exhibit and then freaking out when it, well, provoked.

[Danzig]

how can anyone answer an unanswerable question?

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i just wish people would keep it simple. be good. be nice to people, don't be an ******* like rand says in his signature line. no one should have to preach to you (at you) for you to do the right thing. why does it have to involve a third party? why does some guy have to live a single, lonely life so he can tell you on sundays how to live?
i was raised a catholic. i haven't been to church in years, nor do i feel the lack. i've raised my kids to follow the golden rule. it's not rocket science!
do i believe a guy named jesus walked the earth? yes. do i think he set good examples about how to treat others? yes. what else do you need, or need to be told? all this judgemental crap...all the shooting, wars, crusades, it's all b.s. and the complete opposite of what religion is supposed to be about!

Zeiggie: We get along pretty good, but it's really not that simple. And you can't dismiss the singular most person is history because Man in his usual sloppy way prostituted Christs' message on Earth.

Originally Posted by Danzig

i just wish people would keep it simple. be good. be nice to people, don't be an ******* like rand says in his signature line. no one should have to preach to you (at you) for you to do the right thing. why does it have to involve a third party? why does some guy have to live a single, lonely life so he can tell you on sundays how to live?
i was raised a catholic. i haven't been to church in years, nor do i feel the lack. i've raised my kids to follow the golden rule. it's not rocket science!
do i believe a guy named jesus walked the earth? yes. do i think he set good examples about how to treat others? yes. what else do you need, or need to be told? all this judgemental crap...all the shooting, wars, crusades, it's all b.s. and the complete opposite of what religion is supposed to be about!

Z.

Have you met people that would interpret what you just wrote inadequate? I have met many. They would tell you... you have not been saved. I cannot make that determination. I will tell you that. When I ask these people how they would come to the conclusion that they have been saved, and that I have not... and continue the line of questioning. I often confuse them, or they stop listening and hide behind a shell of knowing without what I would consider satisfactory reasoning. It usually comes down to " I did not reason myself into this, I have faith" And I say but your faith had to involve some reasoning... and then it pretty much falls apart. They dont understand me, and I dont understand why they cant understand what I am trying to determine.

And my conclusion of their thinking becomes, dont ask so many questions and you will be fine. Accept, have faith, but dont inspect.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

I'm mad at radical Christians right now because they sent death threats to a hotel and thus deprived me of chocolate Jesus:

http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=8021

Be sure to click on the Digby link at the end of Cole's post.

And also mad at the hotel for deliberatly setting up a provocative exhibit and then freaking out when it, well, provoked.

i brought this up at dinner the other night.....maybe i'm missing something, or several somethings, but what exactly is the big deal about the sculpture? why is it offensive? because it's chocolate, not marble? or is it that it's anatomically correct and nude?
i thought the knee jerk hysteria was comparable to the muslims regarding the mohammed cartoons in the newspapers last year. of course everyone tsk tsk'd that reaction--but this is about jesus, so i guess it's 'different'. glad as always to see that cooler heads prevail.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

I'm mad at radical Christians right now because they sent death threats to a hotel and thus deprived me of chocolate Jesus:

http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=8021

Be sure to click on the Digby link at the end of Cole's post.

And also mad at the hotel for deliberatly setting up a provocative exhibit and then freaking out when it, well, provoked.

This just shows how ridiculous religion can be....What is wrong with this? It was an interesting creation and wasn't the least bit offensive to me or probably the majority of Christians....Only you can choose to be offended by something. Otherwise learn the word ignore.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

I'm mad at radical Christians right now because they sent death threats to a hotel and thus deprived me of chocolate Jesus:

http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=8021

Be sure to click on the Digby link at the end of Cole's post.

And also mad at the hotel for deliberatly setting up a provocative exhibit and then freaking out when it, well, provoked.

Wow GR...for a sec, I thought you meant me.....but I've been home all weekend, fo realz!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Zeiggie: We get along pretty good, but it's really not that simple. And you can't dismiss the singular most person is history because Man in his usual sloppy way prostituted Christs' message on Earth.

i'm not dismissing him! i think the people who have taken all his messages and twisted them into some judgemental kind of garbage while they look down their noses at others are the ones who dismiss him!

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i brought this up at dinner the other night.....maybe i'm missing something, or several somethings, but what exactly is the big deal about the sculpture? why is it offensive? because it's chocolate, not marble? or is it that it's anatomically correct and nude?
i thought the knee jerk hysteria was comparable to the muslims regarding the mohammed cartoons in the newspapers last year. of course everyone tsk tsk'd that reaction--but this is about jesus, so i guess it's 'different'. glad as always to see that cooler heads prevail.

We always have to be SO politically correct...someones' sensibilities will be crushed! Bull-pucky!! btw,Zeig....Capital J on that,huh?

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Wow GR...for a sec, I thought you meant me.....but I've been home all weekend, fo realz!

Lots of death threats get sent over the internet. But frankly, Timm, I'd happily serve as a character witness for you if anyone ever accused you of doing those sorts of things.

I tell ya- after the exhibit was over, they were planning to slice up the statue so people could have a taste of the Body of Christ. Maybe that's why the Catholics (of which I was once) are so mad-- realizing the hotel's Communion would kick their Communion's ass. Stale wafer? Or chocolate? Which do you think is closer to a taste of Heaven?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Z.

Have you met people that would interpret what you just wrote inadequate? I have met many. They would tell you... you have not been saved. I cannot make that determination. I will tell you that. When I ask these people how they would come to the conclusion that they have been saved, and that I have not... and continue the line of questioning. I often confuse them, or they stop listening and hide behind a shell of knowing without what I would consider satisfactory reasoning. It usually comes down to " I did not reason myself into this, I have faith" And I say but your faith had to involve some reasoning... and then if pretty much falls apart. They dont understand me, and I dont understand why they cant understand what I am trying to determine.

And my conclusion of their thinking becomes, dont ask so many questions and you will be fine. Accept, have faith, but dont inspect.

hell, pg i've been told i have no soul, been judged by many around here because i don't attend church, or because they find out i've been raised catholic, apparently that in itself warrants eternal damnation in some circles....
thing is, how does anyone know anything about what happens next? lol you don't. they don't--yet 'they' (who is they?) know that 'they' are right, and everyone who is different is wrong, and dammed for it!

but the have faith part-i have to confess, i'm pretty lacking in the whole faith dept. i think there's something bigger then us out there--but i'm not so sure what!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

We always have to be SO politically correct...someones' sensibilities will be crushed! Bull-pucky!! btw,Zeig....Capital J on that,huh?

in case you haven't noticed timm, i don't tend towards capitalization...too lazy to hit the shift key much of the time. but i'll try harder.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i'm not dismissing him! i think the people who have taken all his messages and twisted them into some judgemental kind of garbage while they look down their noses at others are the ones who dismiss him!

Read your quote...because of peoples' garbage...HE is relegated to the back burner in many peoples' lives. I just don't want it to be My friends' lives!

[GenuineRisk]

Though right now I'm praying to God that I won't yarf up everything I ate tonight (note to self: do NOT follow movie popcorn with two glasses of red wine).

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

in case you haven't noticed timm, i don't tend towards capitalization...too lazy to hit the shift key much of the time. but i'll try harder.

I'm playing with you....but He is worth it!

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Danzig

hell, pg i've been told i have no soul, been judged by many around here because i don't attend church, or because they find out i've been raised catholic, apparently that in itself warrants eternal damnation in some circles....
thing is, how does anyone know anything about what happens next? lol you don't. they don't--yet 'they' (who is they?) know that 'they' are right, and everyone who is different is wrong, and dammed for it!

but the have faith part-i have to confess, i'm pretty lacking in the whole faith dept. i think there's something bigger then us out there--but i'm not so sure what!

You Deist, you-- well, if it worked for the Founding Fathers...

No kidding about the Catholic thing- I have a friend of 20 some years in Florida who told me she doesn't think Catholics are going to heaven because "They're more concerned with doing good deeds than with their relationship to Christ." Sigh...