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Old 04-09-2007, 07:58 PM
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Before spouting off about the West Coast girls...

1. She's actually faster off this race than Rags to Riches.

2. Magnificience needs to do her thing around two turns.

And she's got a 10 race foundation under her, unlike many colts rushing at the Derby. Not the craziest notion to swing for the fences... He nominated her for the TC last year for a reason.
do you actually think this filly would have a shot in the derby ?
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Old 04-09-2007, 07:59 PM
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She'll be lucky to run in the money for the Oaks, much less finish in the top 15 of the Derby. They're out of their freakin' minds if they run this horse in the Derby off of a gift pace scenario in the Fantasy.
thats what im saying, im just not being that bold about it
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Old 04-09-2007, 08:01 PM
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Before spouting off about the West Coast girls...

1. She's actually faster off this race than Rags to Riches.

2. Magnificience needs to do her thing around two turns.

And she's got a 10 race foundation under her, unlike many colts rushing at the Derby. Not the craziest notion to swing for the fences... He nominated her for the TC last year for a reason.
also... im not a huge fan of Rags to Riches but i am a huge fan of Magnificience and i have no doubt in my mind that she would beat high heels by open lenghts around 2 turns, regardless of the experience and the 10 race foundation
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Old 04-09-2007, 08:03 PM
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also... im not a huge fan of Rags to Riches but i am a huge fan of Magnificience and i have no doubt in my mind that she would beat high heels by open lenghts around 2 turns, regardless of the experience and the 10 race foundation
Hahahaha!!!
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Gary Hartlage, popular Churchill-Oaklawn circuit trainer known as "Red Dog", speculated on "At the Races and Beyond" Monday that he is considering a start in Derby 133 with his Fantasy (Gr.II) winning filly HIGH HEELS.
It is a Genuine Risk to run her, and they shouldn't Regret doing so because when they hit the wire, she may be carrying the Winning Colors.



Can't fault anybody that wants to go for it. As KG says, there are worse colts than her going to the gate.
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Old 04-09-2007, 08:06 PM
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Hahahaha!!!
thats a strong opinion.....

if you have something to say, say it, what is hahaha ?

this filly high heels had a dream setup and beat a average group at best Magnificience is running triple digit speed figures and winning for fun, is there any comparison?
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Old 04-09-2007, 08:08 PM
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thats a strong opinion.....

if you have something to say, say it, what is hahaha ?

this filly high heels had a dream setup and beat a average group at best Magnificience is running triple digit speed figures and winning for fun, is there any comparison?
Dude, what has Magnificience done around two turns?! Do you have a crystal ball to predict that she'll do so convincingly? You have no rhyme or reason to your bold proclamations and it's hilarious!
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Old 04-09-2007, 08:10 PM
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there are 2 fillys right now that she couldnt come within 10 lenghts of, running her in the derby would be crazy, it would be insane.......
Actually High Heels is faster at this point than RTR and Magnificence is said to be sold and remain in California and skip the Oaks and try for G 1 black type out there.
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Old 04-09-2007, 08:21 PM
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Dude, what has Magnificience done around two turns?! Do you have a crystal ball to predict that she'll do so convincingly? You have no rhyme or reason to your bold proclamations and it's hilarious!
dude, who would you take based off of what you have seen ? high heels or Magnificience ? im sure more ppl would be taking Magnificience
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dude, who would you take based off of what you have seen ? high heels or Magnificience ? im sure more ppl would be taking Magnificience
Your SURE wrong....
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Old 04-09-2007, 08:23 PM
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I see no problem with them taking her. Like Packer said earlier, if it's possibly a shot to get into the Derby, why not take it?

She certainly won't have the least impressive resume in the field should she go.

And it's not like with all this talk of a "dream setup" last time out, that she wouldn't be likely to get the very same setup in the Derby, albeit with more traffic.
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dude, who would you take based off of what you have seen ? high heels or Magnificience ? im sure more ppl would be taking Magnificience
I would take the more experienced filly with more experience around two turns in the Kentucky Derby. The Derby isn't always won by the fastest and most talented of the 20 entered. It can be a real crapshoot depending upon trip and post position.
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I would take the more experienced filly with more experience around two turns in the Kentucky Derby. The Derby isn't always won by the fastest and most talented of the 20 entered. It can be a real crapshoot depending upon trip and post position.

AGREED!!!........Could he please change his name from Pointgiven to Going Wild 2005
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AGREED!!!........Could he please change his name from Pointgiven to Going Wild 2005
Quote of the day.

I'd take High Heels in a second. And we'd probably get good odds on that race too given the eleventy billion dollars he would "bet" to win on the Cali girl.
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AGREED!!!........Could he please change his name from Pointgiven to Going Wild 2005
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Speed figures are just educated opinions, not facts.



Please forward this to Red Dog and hope he interprets it correctly.
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Speed figures are just educated opinions, not facts.



Please forward this to Red Dog and hope he interprets it correctly.
by that you mean that her figure was actually better than it appears and she definitely belongs in the starting gate on may 6th?
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Old 04-09-2007, 09:37 PM
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by that you mean that her figure was actually better than it appears and she definitely belongs in the starting gate on may 6th?
May 5th
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Old 04-09-2007, 10:52 PM
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