Rasheed Wallace

[The Bid]

If the Cavs had a coach they would be waiting to see who to play in the finals. The coaching job for Cleveland is pathetic. The drawn up play calls at the end of the halfs are brutal, the adjustments they make at halftime are non existant. Everyone keeps saying "Cleveland is flat in the third quarter, Cleveland has struggled in the third" They havent struggled, the coaches havent made the adjustments they need to at the half to ensure a win. They get up by 12, and they dont knock the Pistons out. They should have closed out both games in Detroit too, they are younger, faster, more talented, the coaching is terrible. If Flip Saunders wasnt the second worst coach in the NBA the Cavs would be in trouble.

Originally Posted by Bababooyee

but I think his lack of consistency has cost them (at least hurt their odds) against the Spurs the next year

Billups killed the Spurs that series. He absolutely bullied Parker around. Until the switch with 4 minutes to go in GAme 7. Bowen shut him out.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by The Bid

If the Cavs had a coach they would be waiting to see who to play in the finals. The coaching job for Cleveland is pathetic. The drawn up play calls at the end of the halfs are brutal, the adjustments they make at halftime are non existant. Everyone keeps saying "Cleveland is flat in the third quarter, Cleveland has struggled in the third" They havent struggled, the coaches havent made the adjustments they need to at the half to ensure a win. They get up by 12, and they dont knock the Pistons out. They should have closed out both games in Detroit too, they are younger, faster, more talented, the coaching is terrible. If Flip Saunders wasnt the second worst coach in the NBA the Cavs would be in trouble.

There are ebbs and flows to games. Period. Especially with two evenly matched teams. So if the Cavs had a good coach they would have been 82-0 during the regular season and 12-0 in the playoffs to this point because they would have always made the "proper" adjustments at halftime?? Try to employ a bit of seriousness here. I am not understanding your points here. I find it funny the two worst coaches in the NBA are matching up in a conference final.

Things happen with human beings. These are not robots playing. They will at times miss. LeBron missed a wide open layup in the 3rd quarter. So the logic behind that missed layup is because Brown made poor adjustments at halftime?? Billups made a contested jumper to open the 3rd quarter with someone right in his face. So the reason he made that shot was because Brown didn't coach properly at halftime??

So the reason LeBron made 2 foul shots at the end of the game is because Brown made proper adjustments in the 4th quarter???

So your basic argument is that Brown is a tremendous "in-game" coach, because they always play better in the 4th quarter this series than the
3rd. Or something like that.

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

There are ebbs and flows to games. Period. Especially with two evenly matched teams. So if the Cavs had a good coach they would have been 82-0 during the regular season and 12-0 in the playoffs to this point because they would have always made the "proper" adjustments at halftime?? Try to employ a bit of seriousness here. I am not understanding your points here. I find it funny the two worst coaches in the NBA are matching up in a conference final.

Things happen with human beings. These are not robots playing. They will at times miss. LeBron missed a wide open layup in the 3rd quarter. So the logic behind that missed layup is because Brown made poor adjustments at halftime?? Billups made a contested jumper to open the 3rd quarter with someone right in his face. So the reason he made that shot was because Brown didn't coach properly at halftime??

So the reason LeBron made 2 foul shots at the end of the game is because Brown made proper adjustments in the 4th quarter???

So your basic argument is that Brown is a tremendous "in-game" coach, because they always play better in the 4th quarter this series than the
3rd. Or something like that.

In order to assess coaches you have to watch them a while. I have seen the Cavs do not have any sort of theme to their offense. Its very disorganized. They space poorly. Rely totally on athletic talent. Detroit is just getting older physically. Although Saunders has much more depth than Brown had. Popovich has a great player to run things off of, and he sticks to what his players do best. If they did not win utilizing their players to the fullest, he would be called bad. Sloan has always got competitive teams. I just wonder if he "Bill Parcells" them a bit too much. Hell Van Gundy is a very good coach imo. He just lost a tough series.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

It's you.

So ya don't think it's PeeGarden...huh?


I'm looking for my paint set and then I will go.

I am very lonely so just pile it on and make me cry.











I am so sad.
No one likes me.
Cry,cry,cry,cry.

[disappearingdan_akaplaya]

say whatya want bout birdshiat but he shows up to play almost everytime when theres a big game, he needs to smoke more bud than he already is so hell relax more

Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya

say whatya want bout birdshiat but he shows up to play almost everytime when theres a big game, he needs to smoke more bud than he already is so hell relax more

Yes indeed. He leaves Robert Horry wide open for a 3 that help the Spurs win that series. He shows up without his head on his neck.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by pgardn

In order to assess coaches you have to watch them a while. I have seen the Cavs do not have any sort of theme to their offense. Its very disorganized. They space poorly. Rely totally on athletic talent. Detroit is just getting older physically. Although Saunders has much more depth than Brown had. Popovich has a great player to run things off of, and he sticks to what his players do best. If they did not win utilizing their players to the fullest, he would be called bad. Sloan has always got competitive teams. I just wonder if he "Bill Parcells" them a bit too much. Hell Van Gundy is a very good coach imo. He just lost a tough series.

They space ok. The problem is they can't shoot. When they shoot "ok" they do well. How many wide open 15 footers did Gooden get last night?? I wouldn't exactly call Ilgauskas "athletic"...nor Snow or even Verajao or Gooden. Although Gooden and Verajao are decent athletes for big men, I wouldn't necessarily call them any more athletic than Detroit's bigs of McDyess, or Wallace or Maxiell. Pavlovic is athletic...but come on is he more athletic than Prince??

The problem is that their scorer, is also really their only playmaker...set up man..."James". Snow is the only "true" point guard on that team and he is too old and simply doesn't see the floor like James does...this forces them to use James as not only "scorer" but also "playmaker". So I think when offensive stagnation occurs is when LeBron is handling point duties which often happens...but good things also come from this strategy...ie the 4th quarters of the last two games.

I think saying they rely totally on athletic is over-simplifying it tremendously. LeBron is perhaps one of the most gifted athletes ever...but after him I really don't think their athleticism is anything but pretty typical for the positions they play. And in some cases less than normal....(Snow, Ilgauskas).

Brown is a defense first coach I agree with and that is his emphasis...but I think the lack of a point guard forces James to be sort of a grab-bag type player...someone forced to play point more than he probably should. And that at times bogs down their offense.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You asked for it.

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Bizarre.






Have my conditions been met?













If not














I have some new ones.

[Mortimer]

I haven't got all day Hossy.



You are making me read these pathetic NBA coaches analysis posts.








And I found my paint set so time is ticking.

[The Bid]

No you buffoon, what Im saying is Brown is a terrible coach because they come out from every halftime firing up playground shots. He makes no adjustments on Defense and its almost cost them both games in Cleveland. They dont come out with a plan in the third quarter, they are put back on their heels before raw talent puts them back in front. If you think Eric Snow should be in at the end of the game shooting freethrows youre out of your mind.

Oh, and Flip Saunders and Brown are both terrible coaches, both front offices have done a great job with everything except hiring coaches. Which is why both the Cavs or Pistons will get drilled by the well coached Spurs.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I gave up on that. It was pointless. You're a big boy, do what you want.

Oh.





Well if I cannot have conditions then that is that.


For all tiiiiiiime!

[Mortimer]

Doggone it.


And it was just getting good in here ,too.

[The Bid]

Its amazing to any Cavs fan that they are tied 2-2 after the way Brown has coached.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by The Bid

No you buffoon, what Im saying is Brown is a terrible coach because they come out from every halftime firing up playground shots. He makes no adjustments on Defense and its almost cost them both games in Cleveland. They dont come out with a plan in the third quarter, they are put back on their heels before raw talent puts them back in front. If you think Eric Snow should be in at the end of the game shooting freethrows youre out of your mind.

Oh, and Flip Saunders and Brown are both terrible coaches, both front offices have done a great job with everything except hiring coaches. Which is why either the Cavs or Pistons will get drilled by the well coached Spurs.

They're only playground shots if you miss them. James threw up shots in both fourth quarters in cleveland that went in. When they go in you do well in quarters...when they don't go in (ie the 3rd quarter yesterdy) you don't.

(just a hint...there are two teams playing. Not just one. As I stated in my first post...when you have two evenly matched teams like this there will be ebbs and flows. POints in the game where one will play better. Cleveland is simply not a good enough team to win every quarter against Detroit by 10 points and win games by 40 and Detroit isn't good enough to do that either. Why is that so hard for you to understand??)

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

That's your choice my friend.

Yes it is.






No conditions...


...no me.

[The Bid]

Because I think Cleveland is younger, quicker, and more talented than Detroit. If they utilized what they have this series would already be over.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You're really starting to resemble that picture.

ror!







Shaddap already with that stuff!












They are dying for me over there.












You know it.








I know it.










And the Amercian people know it.














Do you realize how much money you are going to lose?

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Its amazing to any Cavs fan that they are tied 2-2 after the way Brown has coached.

furthermore, if you only blame Brown for the 3rd quarters, then you also have to solely give him credit for the 4th and quarters and 1st halves. Otherwise you are inconsistent. If it is his fault for poor play in the 3rd, it certainly must be his doing for the good that goes on the rest of the game right?? So when they do well it is their talent and youth...but when they do poorly it is only Brown and not their youth??

Give it a break here.

[horseofcourse]

mortimer, what's the most times you ever hit return between utterances?? Can you hit it 1,000 times just to see what will happen??