A Saratoga Crime

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Scav

I am going to watch it one more time, 1 second

OK...no matter what you and I see can I ask you this? Why was there no jockey's Objection. Can any of you guys shed some light on this???

[Scav]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

OK...no matter what you and I see can I ask you this? Why was there no jockey's Objection. Can any of you guys shed some light on this???

Objections cost cash, if you lodge an objection I think it costs $100 or something (from the jock). And they probably already knew they were looking at it. I could be 100% wrong about this

[Scav]

the 3 was drifting in and Eibar was trying to correct it. He slightly bumps into into him once, and then a off stride bump, gets him straight and then completely cuts him off BEFORE the line.

My guess it that Eibar had to think he was clear, when he really wasn't, but again, I think that DQ was fairly straight forward

[Ronnie]

Does there need to be duplicity? If the jockey knows the stewards are looking into it, why then would he put in a jockey's inquiry? I guess that I don't know that much about inquiries, and I see that I am not alone.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Scav

Objections cost cash, if you lodge an objection I think it costs $100 or something (from the jock). And they probably already knew they were looking at it. I could be 100% about this

Did not know that. Interesting. 20 years in this game and still learning.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I thought Gomez tried to come through a hole that closed. I think he would have objected if he thought otherwise. Anyone else notice Desormeaux not ride out again to the wire, something BTW brought up on his show? I'm not saying it cost him second, but the horse missed second by a nose and in the picture, he is almost standing up, while Cornelio is riding out to the wire.

This might be a stupid question but, Will jocks lodge objections to move up to third place?

As far as Desormeaux goes, after he (apparently) shut the door on GG he gave the horse one more tap with the whip and then coasted home like a jock that thought he was probably coming down. His hands looked like they were still. I could be way off base but you probably do not take as much heat from the trainer when you get Dq'd from 3rd to 4th as it would to be taken down from first. This is the only reason I could think for him to apparently stop driving his horse.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

Did not know that. Interesting. 20 years in this game and still learning.

I am not 100% sure. I am sure someone on here will know for sure. If not, I have a friend that used to be a jock agent, I'll ask him when I see him next

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Scav

the 3 was drifting in and Eibar was trying to correct it. He slightly bumps into into him once, and then a off stride bump, gets him straight and then completely cuts him off BEFORE the line.

My guess it that Eibar had to think he was clear, when he really wasn't, but again, I think that DQ was fairly straight forward

So....and I'm not being a dink. Do you think it was for rough/careless riding or do you honestly think the 8 had a chance to win?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

So....and I'm not being a dink. Do you think it was for rough/careless riding or do you honestly think the 8 had a chance to win?

8 had zero chance of winning, but the 3 knocked him off stride EARLIER in the race also, probably not enough to get DQed, but that last cut off was probably the icing on the cake.

If you notice, when Durking was explaining the DQ today, he was talking about MUCH earlier in the stretch, and not that final cut off, he did not it was 'part of it'

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Scav

8 had zero chance of winning, but the 3 knocked him off stride EARLIER in the race also, probably not enough to get DQed, but that last cut off was probably the icing on the cake.

If you notice, when Durking was explaining the DQ today, he was talking about MUCH earlier in the stretch, and not that final cut off, he did not it was 'part of it'

That's what we all thought because that's what they were showing when Durkin was explaining it, which makes me feel even more strongly that it was an iffy DQ. There has been so much worse. This is why there needs to be a clear set of guidelines when it comes to the DQ's They should make one of the Stewards get on the track PA and explain what they saw rather than make Durkin do it. They owe it to the betting public.

[Ronnie]

http://www.racing.state.ny.us/racing/racing.home.htm


4039.10. Who may make objection.

Every objection must be made by the owner, trainer or jockey of some horse engaged in the race or by the officials of the course to the clerk of the scales or to one of the stewards, or an objection may be made by any one of the stewards.



4039.11. Objections to be in writing.

All objections except claims of interference during a race must be in writing signed by the objector.



4039.12. Leave required to withdraw objection.

An objection cannot be withdrawn without leave of the stewards.



4039.13. Liability for costs of inquiry.

All costs and expenses in relation to determining an objection or conducting an inquiry shall be paid by such person or persons and in such proportions as the stewards shall direct.



4039.14. Deposit may be forfeited.

Before considering an objection, the stewards may require a deposit of $ 25, which shall be forfeited if the objection is decided to be frivolous or vexatious.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

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That's what we all thought because that's what they were showing when Durkin was explaining it, which makes me feel even more strongly that it was an iffy DQ. There has been so much worse. This is why there needs to be a clear set of guidelines when it comes to the DQ's They should make one of the Stewards get on the track PA and explain what they saw rather than make Durkin do it. They owe it to the betting public.

I am all for the steward explaining. personally, I think there should be about 12 TOTAL stewards in the entire US. Put them on the West Coast, say Idaho or something in a room, Racign would start out there at 8 or 9am and end at midnight, have two shifts, and these people make ALL the decisions. I think this would be the only way for consistency.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

... no way that 3 should have been takin' down. best horse in the race. I cant believe they took that down and left Lady Joanne up. Doesnt make sense.

She should have been left up -- without question in my mind.

Eric

[MaTH716]

To tell the public that they DQ'd Coa for the 2 bumps at the top of the stretch is crazy. I really believe that the horse was DQ'd because Coa was on it. IF it was Prado, JV or Gomez the case would have been that the horse was the best and he was clear, he just drifted in at the wire. The horse that ran second was ok and did not lose any placings. They would have given the jock a slap on the wrist and it would be over.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Ronnie

http://www.racing.state.ny.us/racing/racing.home.htm


4039.10. Who may make objection.

Every objection must be made by the owner, trainer or jockey of some horse engaged in the race or by the officials of the course to the clerk of the scales or to one of the stewards, or an objection may be made by any one of the stewards.



4039.11. Objections to be in writing.

All objections except claims of interference during a race must be in writing signed by the objector.



4039.12. Leave required to withdraw objection.

An objection cannot be withdrawn without leave of the stewards.



4039.13. Liability for costs of inquiry.

All costs and expenses in relation to determining an objection or conducting an inquiry shall be paid by such person or persons and in such proportions as the stewards shall direct.



4039.14. Deposit may be forfeited.

Before considering an objection, the stewards may require a deposit of $ 25, which shall be forfeited if the objection is decided to be frivolous or vexatious.

Interesting site. Thanks!

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Steve Crist's thoughts from his blog on drf.com, I agree 100%

---I've agreed with the stewards' decisions to leave up horses in a few borderline cases during the meet and they should have continued taking no action instead of disqualifying Victory for Sierra in Monday's fifth race. This was a case of sending a message to a jockey rather than doing the just thing.

Victory for Sierra had worn down Savasana and was past her in deep stretch when Coa, continuing needlessly to whip right handed, cut in front of the beaten Savasana, forcing her to clip heels. If the stewards want to warn, fine or suspend Coa for his overaggressiveness, fine, but don't send the message with the public's money and create an unfair official result. Victory for Sierra was best, had the race won, and Savasana was not going to miraculously rerally even if Coa had kept a straight path

Very well said.

[Antitrust32]

just read this thread again... makes me angry all over again! I want a refund! Its hard enough to pick a horse to win and have it win.. then the stewards have to fucl< with you like that!

[philcski]

That truly was the most ridiculous DQ I've ever seen, especially taken in context with what they've let stand at this meet. He was PULLING THE HORSE UP AT THE WIRE when the horse clipped heels. What a joke.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Steve Crist's thoughts from his blog on drf.com, I agree 100%

---I've agreed with the stewards' decisions to leave up horses in a few borderline cases during the meet and they should have continued taking no action instead of disqualifying Victory for Sierra in Monday's fifth race. This was a case of sending a message to a jockey rather than doing the just thing.

Victory for Sierra had worn down Savasana and was past her in deep stretch when Coa, continuing needlessly to whip right handed, cut in front of the beaten Savasana, forcing her to clip heels. If the stewards want to warn, fine or suspend Coa for his overaggressiveness, fine, but don't send the message with the public's money and create an unfair official result. Victory for Sierra was best, had the race won, and Savasana was not going to miraculously rerally even if Coa had kept a straight path

Then deal with I-bar directly instead of costing those who had a winning ticket...time for Mr.Coa to get a stern talking to by the stewards, his riding lately has been down right dangerous!

[Ronnie]

Makes you wonder if all the parking lot guys had the 8 to win on a slow Monday.