Why Super Frolic matters

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I think what he said was something some feel, but don't have the balls to say. I don't think his post was hutful, or trying to be a wiseass. Look, I get the emotional attachment to an animal and such, but it seems a tad unrealistic that someone can have such a strong emotional attachement to seemingly every horse that breaks down.

Every person is different... it breaks my hurt every time I read about another one too.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

the last thing you need when you're hurting is for some wiseass who comes on with the "its like a bug dying" stuff.

to some its not like a bug dying. I may not feel the same for every horse in every situation but there have been times when I was deeply hurt. you or others may not be hurt and that is fine. by why choose to object to THAT issue? is it really so horribly inconvenient?

Well, the poster who started this thread seems to hurt for every horse that gets injured, or worse, and while she is certainly entitled to that sentiment, it is hardly surprising that others have picked up on the repetitive series of posts of this ilk.

Honestly, I posted about a racetrack friend of mine who passed away and some nitwit chose to turn the thread into something else entirely. His thoughts didn't diminish my sorrow. You post on the internet and you get what you get.

[FGFan]

Originally Posted by The Bid

This particular horse breaking down is disturbing. I dont like the eulogies, but this horse certainly deserved better than being brought back to race, just to be put down. It adds a little to the disapointment because he had done so much. 4 months ago the horse was where he belonged. Retired and enjoying life.

For the most part the eulogies are confined to the Angels thread.

I think your comment of finding it disturbing hit the nail on the head.....and has generated a lot of chatter on many forums.
It goes back to connections, surfaces, among other issues, breeding shed, retirements, etc, but mainly controversy surrounding the trainer.

And while yes I absolutely agree he was not one of the "top level" horses, he was a horse that many people knew about due to his competition record. I liked him and I'm sorry to see him gone.

[Rootdog1]

I think the fact she honors each horse with a thread keeps the ugly side of the sport in the forefront, which I assume is why you get a diverse reaction. I personally think it is good, to keep a memory of those that have suffered, but I can see why there are people who would rather not see this side of the sport on a daily basis.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

The WE I was referring to was the same group that she put us all into when she called us they nay-sayers.

But u know exactly what I'm talking about. WE lament the losses of horses like Bernardini and Birdstone and other top horses that are grade one winners that retire early when sound and the horses that trainers keep out of races and only run them 3-5 times a year even though they are healthy because they are trying to protect their value. Can u honestly say that Super Frolic is at that kind of level?
Again, I have no issue with how anyone feels about this horse or them being saddened by his loss or the loss of any other horse. I'm just saying that this horse did not represent what we are talking about when we say we lament the ways of old.

Personally, I place a horse like Super Frolic above early-retired 3 yo's in terms of earning my admiration. There is surely something to be said for running a small number of brilliant races and going off to stud. There is also something to be said for a solid G2/G3 horse that runs at 3,4,5 and 6. I do not consider Bernardini a great horse, not at all. He won a couple G 1's and got beat pretty good in the BC. Birdstone got a couple G1's and was gone.

It's not as if the "top class" horses you mention make one forget about Forego.

[Swap Fliparoo]

He earned black type at 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7... very unusual these days. $933,000... almost a millionaire.

Much as i look warily on Asmussen's training, is the Tapeta surface any factor in yet another breakdown? or is it happening at the same rate as dirt tracks?

What a shame.

[sumitas]

I beleive this is the first Tapeta track. I hope there is a reason that can be identified for the injury. The chart indicates the injury happened very early in the race.

[NoChanceToDance]

Is it wrong to be saddened by the death of every racehorse that has tried, that has done their job whether they wanted to or not. Is it wrong to become emotionally attached to horses that you see at the track and for some reason they stick out from the others?

If it wasn't for the horses, where would be be? Afterall, it's called HORSEracing, or did a number of you forget that?

The horses are the backbone to this sport, but what thanks do they get? None, zip, zlich, nil point.

If you don't become emotionally attached and simply look at racehorses as betting potential, then that's fine, but don't take it out on the people that DO care.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

No, it's not a bad thing at all. He just doesn't represent the kind of horses that we are talking about when we say we miss the way top horses used to be campaigned. Nothing more, nothing less.

And yes, I only have interest in the horses that I think are the top performers. Which often times are not the same ones that others think are lol.

i can relate to that part....

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I think what he said was something some feel, but don't have the balls to say. I don't think his post was hutful, or trying to be a wiseass. Look, I get the emotional attachment to an animal and such, but it seems a tad unrealistic that someone can have such a strong emotional attachement to seemingly every horse that breaks down.

not a strong attachment to every individual i would think, but i certainly have a strong attachment to horses in general, and it's dammed depressing to see one lose his life while trying to make his humans happy. it's also depressing to have people only worry about whether they hit the ex or not in that race. i think it's a shame super frolic was lost, especially considering he was retired to supposed greener pastures--but they weren't quite GREEEN enough for his owners...
but, we all know that this is part of the sport we choose to follow. and certainly i would expect it to touch the owners and trainer, groom, etc than the general public.
then again, for anyone to presume to know what someone else is feeling, or the depths of that feeling....well, i don't see how you can. to each his own i suppose. altho the cold, complete lack of empathy is something i will never understand.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Well, the poster who started this thread seems to hurt for every horse that gets injured, or worse, and while she is certainly entitled to that sentiment, it is hardly surprising that others have picked up on the repetitive series of posts of this ilk.

Honestly, I posted about a racetrack friend of mine who passed away and some nitwit chose to turn the thread into something else entirely. His thoughts didn't diminish my sorrow. You post on the internet and you get what you get.

it can be maudlin, but then again, it ought to be obvious what this thread would contain, so easy to skip it....

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it can be maudlin, but then again, it ought to be obvious what this thread would contain, so easy to skip it....

You think everyone knew that Super Frolic broke down at some irrelevant outpost late on a Saturday evening?

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by Danzig

not a strong attachment to every individual i would think, but i certainly have a strong attachment to horses in general, and it's dammed depressing to see one lose his life while trying to make his humans happy. it's also depressing to have people only worry about whether they hit the ex or not in that race. i think it's a shame super frolic was lost, especially considering he was retired to supposed greener pastures--but they weren't quite GREEEN enough for his owners...
but, we all know that this is part of the sport we choose to follow. and certainly i would expect it to touch the owners and trainer, groom, etc than the general public.
then again, for anyone to presume to know what someone else is feeling, or the depths of that feeling....well, i don't see how you can. to each his own i suppose. altho the cold, complete lack of empathy is something i will never understand.

Very well put, Danzig

[FGFan]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

You think everyone knew that Super Frolic broke down at some irrelevant outpost late on a Saturday evening?

Might be a new track but not going to stay "irrelevant" when they give out almost 1 million in purse money on one day. Also it was televised on TVG, and the masters 2 races later was on ESPN, hard to miss what happened. So yes, most knew Super Frolic had been pulled up.

By seeing the amount of chatter on the forums, he had a lot of fans that are going to miss him.
Like the others said, if you don't like the thread don't read it.

Horses do not run to make humans happy, they run because they are genetically engineered to. Today, 2007, horses are faster than they have ever been. Feed programs, training, and breeding for speed have all lead to faster animals and drugs, illegal or not, have put a great strain on the thoroughbred.

I feel sorry whenever one goes down and Super Frolic breaking both sesamoids makes no one happy. Treating a horse as the individual it is, can lead to sadness, as breakdowns will always occur. Using terms such as nag, glue, etc. irritate me, but I take great satisfaction that I often "tax" those people at the window. Super Frolic was not a great horse, but he was an individual, and he will be missed. Condolences to his connections. BBB

[The Bid]

Sumitas, do you walk around with a shoe in your mouth daily?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by FGFan

Might be a new track but not going to stay "irrelevant" when they give out almost 1 million in purse money on one day. Also it was televised on TVG, and the masters 2 races later was on ESPN, hard to miss what happened. So yes, most knew Super Frolic had been pulled up.

By seeing the amount of chatter on the forums, he had a lot of fans that are going to miss him.
Like the others said, if you don't like the thread don't read it.

Note my location. Sorry Super Frolic wasn't headline news here. Dinner, perhaps, but not news, so excuse me if I missed it.

As I said, I hate to see horses break down. I do like animals and love horses. I am just well aware of the realities of the sport.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by bellsbendboy

Horses do not run to make humans happy, they run because they are genetically engineered to. Today, 2007, horses are faster than they have ever been. Feed programs, training, and breeding for speed have all lead to faster animals and drugs, illegal or not, have put a great strain on the thoroughbred.

I feel sorry whenever one goes down and Super Frolic breaking both sesamoids makes no one happy. Treating a horse as the individual it is, can lead to sadness, as breakdowns will always occur. Using terms such as nag, glue, etc. irritate me, but I take great satisfaction that I often "tax" those people at the window. Super Frolic was not a great horse, but he was an individual, and he will be missed. Condolences to his connections. BBB

The drive by "I'm a winner" post. You are the master.

[FGFan]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Note my location. Sorry Super Frolic wasn't headline news here. Dinner, perhaps, but not news, so excuse me if I missed it.



As I said, I hate to see horses break down. I do like animals and love horses. I am just well aware of the realities of the sport.

No I didn't see your location, so yes I can see why it wouldn't be news there. But you jumped the gun on your facts, and this is a U.S. based board.

I do somewhat see your point and I MORE than know the realities of this sport, some of us get attached, why it upsets people I really don't understand.
I like many horses from 5k claimers to the most famous. I feel bad every time one is lost.

Someone posted in Angels Lost in the Fog died a year ago, so people do remember and do miss them.

Probably this discussion belongs in Angels, but it ended up here. Ignore it or read it.

I'm glad someone does an Angels thread and retirements, from time to time I can go see what happened to a horse I haven't heard of in a while. Those threads often have the answers.

Jumping someone for taking the time to do that I don't see the point, or I dont see why it would bother anyone.

[King Glorious]

The part that irritates me is that I am on another forum and the thread started off talking about the stakes races they were going to have at that track that day. But when I wanted to talk about the actual races, especially the feature race and the track, nobody wanted to talk about it. They were all focused on the death of this horse. As DaHoss and CMOrioles have expressed, this happens regularly. I admittedly am not a big fan of horses and I don't get the same emotional attatchments that some have but it just bothers me a little when I can't even get any discussion on the races on a racing forum.

I've told her plenty of times that if she's going to feel this way about every single horse, she's going to cry herself out of the game really fast. It's not a bad thing to have that compassion for the animals. There is a part of me that wishes that I had more. But at the same time, if u are going to stay involved in this game, even as a fan, u have to develop a thicker skin because this stuff will happen all the time. Most racing fans that have been around for awhile are going to have the attitude that u have seen on here. We're like "ok, it happened, let's move on." And then when there is a thread about each one everytime it happens, well I can see the irritation. It doesn't irritate me but I can see how it could bother some.

For the record, I think she's great. She's new and she's enthusiastic about the sport and she puts her heart all the way into it. It's not all about the numbers and the tickets cashed and the grade one horses. For her, the $5k claimer at Yvapai is as important as the Derby winner and I hope she doesn't get discouraged by the reaction to this thread.