Joe says no

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as he should

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I'm sure I am in the minority here and this is no dig on Torre. But the bottom line for Steinbrenner is championship rings. Torre was far and away the highest paid manager and under the deal they offered, he still would have been. What is wrong with basing a cut on Steinbrenner or whoever's thought that Torre wasn't doing a good job?

I know everyone loves Torre, but it's not a personal thing. It's business. Steinbrenner spends all of that money for a ring. I realize you cannot buy a ring, but sometimes you just need a change to light a fire in some guys. Personally I think Cashman should be gone too. He's made some awful moves.

Torre's a players manager and you'll be hard pressed to find someone who has a bad thing to say about him. But sometimes change is necessary. This was definitely one of those times.

torre, 3 rings, post season 12 years in a row.
20 years prior--NO rings.

who didn't think halfway thru this season that the yanks would miss the playoffs for the first time in over a decade? i doubt anyone honestly thought that they could pull things together, and get to the post season.

[Bigsmc]

Sweet Lou.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I know about what he has done, but obviously Steinbrenner is a what have you done for me lately kind of guy. His record of firing in the past sort of shows this.

I just think the backlash is because Torre is such a likeable guy. Where was the backlash when Girardi got fired last year? Talk about overachieving. If I'm Steinbrenner, and I spend the money he does to get a winner, I expect to go to the playoffs and beyond, every year. They should be making the playoffs every year. They have the best players money can buy.

Obviously they have to perform, but it's not like Torre has been burdened with trying to make a winner out of second rate players. He has a virtual all star team. IMO Torre is a bad X's and O's guy and his decision making is mediocre.

It will be a LONG time before the Yankees get back to the Joe Torre level. He got them to 12 straight playoff appearances for Chirst Sakes! As a YANKEE fan for over 30 years, I remember ALL those years they were bad! Joe was one in million...business or not, he deserved better than this!

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

It will be a LONG time before the Yankees get back to the Joe Torre level. He got them to 12 straight playoff appearances for Chirst Sakes! As a YANKEE fan for over 30 years, I remember ALL those years they were bad! Joe was one in million...business or not, he deserved better than this!

i agree-they will find that out starting next year, if arod-posada-rivera goes goodnight yanks

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by Danzig

torre, 3 rings, post season 12 years in a row.
20 years prior--NO rings.

who didn't think halfway thru this season that the yanks would miss the playoffs for the first time in over a decade? i doubt anyone honestly thought that they could pull things together, and get to the post season.

Finally, words spoken by someone that appreciates what one has given to a job or team for many years...RESULTS!
I guess others just can't see that...too bad.

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its not just torre but who might leave along because of him and wondering what whack will be the replacment. i'm telling ya the yanks might be a very average team come opening day after this winter

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

What did he deserve? What would have been fitting? Steinbrenner was very crucial about Torre not getting his players off of the field during the bug scenarion. They probably had the biggest choke of all time in the '05 playoffs and with the best players money could buy, were underachieving IMO. What kind of a sendoff would you have liked? What's the timetable?

Did he deserve this??? My god...12 straight years in the playoffs, four World Champions! Your point is moot with me Would you be happy with a pay cut after years of great service with a company? Don't you think it's a slap in the face for that??? I tell you now, this team WON'T be the same again. The gravy train of championships is over...for real now!

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by Danzig

torre, 3 rings, post season 12 years in a row.
20 years prior--NO rings.

who didn't think halfway thru this season that the yanks would miss the playoffs for the first time in over a decade? i doubt anyone honestly thought that they could pull things together, and get to the post season.

Dannie...stick with boo-bees.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

Did he deserve this??? My god...12 straight years in the playoffs, four World Champions! Your point is moot with me Would you be happy with a pay cut after years of great service with a company? Don't you think it's a slap in the face for that??? I tell you now, this team WON'T be the same again. The gravy train of championships is over...for real now!

Go with Dannie to boo-bee gazing..

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Losing those three would be the best thing that could happen to the Yankees. If you can add Giambi, Abreu, Pettite and Mussina, they might get out of the first round next year.

You're not a Yankee fan...are you. You should be happy now...the guiding light is gone.....

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Losing those three would be the best thing that could happen to the Yankees. If you can add Giambi, Abreu, Pettite and Mussina, they might get out of the first round next year.

lol the ones you named yes- the ones i named would hurt -no doubt about it

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Hoff, do me a favor. Take your emotion out of this for a second. The guy did his job. He was given the best players a manager could ask for. It didn't work out. What did he deserve? What should they have done? Sometimes it's best to part ways.

It won't be for them.

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Losing those three would be the best thing that could happen to the Yankees. If you can add Giambi, Abreu, Pettite and Mussina, they might get out of the first round next year.

you lose arod-posada-rivera - you'll be lucky to sniff the postseason

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

You know, I guess I'm "old fashion". A person deserves the upmost respect for doing a job, getting it right, showing results and with CLASS. Joe Torre has done that the past 12 years. NO ONE deserves to end a great career this way with a team or job. Life does sometime suck...things like this make it that way!

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youth movement -yes ,from within-yes, otherwise your in the same spot, you cant upgrade the 3 i mentioned if you lose them, you have to gradually make a shift

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

We differ in our opinion of great. I say the Yankees win more games next year than they did this year. We'll see. I fail to see what more the guy wanted. I would have fired him after '05. He was still the highest paid manager in baseball and I think most would say he is clearly not the best manager in the game. He was made an offer, HE declined it.

That bet...you will lose.

I sure if this happened to you in your job, you would feel betrayed and you too would have told them to kiss your ass.

By the way...who in your opinion is the best manager???

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

No, I can't stand the Yankees.

That answers everything....










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the problem is not torre its the players mainly the pitching staff -no new coach will turn this bunch around anymore then torre