Top Ten 2008 3 year olds

[The Indomitable DrugS]

He sure has Spanky Fischbein's number.

[asudevil]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Do you also eagerly await the arrival of cold sores?

Tremendous!!

[herkhorse]

definitely the laugh of the day!

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

thank you, horse has never done a thing wrong, all he does is win, always moves forward, he should be on any and every top 10 list, i can see why not top 5, but 10 for sure

Based on what? As I said earlier, I don't think he is terrible, and I do think he could win the Gotham, but what race of his can you point to as evidence that he is a real Kentucky Derby contender?
I can't think of any.

If Denis of Cork wins a triple crown race I am retiring from the game.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

He sure has Spanky Fischbein's number.

They're pretty much Affirmed and Alydar for the new millenium.

[AeWingnut]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G37VZGLFxXA

taking a look at this public workout for War Pass.. I keep thinking.. "How much bigger than everyone else is War Pass"

I'm sure he looks bigger because he's a lot closer to the camera than everyone else in this race. I doubt he was breathing hard after this.

[eajinabi]

My top 2 are Barrier Reef and Roman Commander

[Travis Stone]

I think there are only two horses that would appear on every single Top 10 list right now. That's the way this crop looks.

[Travis Stone]

Maybe the better question is how many horses have looked as good as War Pass or Pyro? Other than their two performances, every other race has been a big ?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Maybe the better question is how many horses have looked as good as War Pass or Pyro? Other than their two performances, every other race has been a big ?

Exactly the way that I feel. There are about 25-30 interchangeable horses for the rest of the list.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

If I went 10 deep, I'd put Giant Moon on it. Certainly above horses like Cool Coal Man, Elysium Fields, and Hey Byrn. Or any of the Z horses.

you think the count fleet was a better field/race then the fountain of youth? or do you give a lot of weight to winning ny-bred restricted stakes? giant moon may turn out to be something, but i think he needs to wade into deeper waters and show something.

[ArlJim78]

Giant Moon would have been trounced in the FOY.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

No, I don't think that the Count Fleet was a better field than the FOY. I do think that Giant Moon is a better horse than what was in the FOY. I agree that he does need to wade into deeper waters as you say but I think that the others do too. So far, every race has been a shallow one.

Really? Based on what.....because you didn't like the FOY field going into the race? Because your jaw dropped when Giant Moon was able to overcome Spanky Fishbein in a stretch duel?

Honestly, I'm trying to get the logic. The Count Fleet field wasn't a better field than the FOY ( which Stevie Wonder could see by the way ) but you think Giant Moon, who had race dynamics in his favor, is better than what was in the FOY? Methinks you are sticking stubbornly to a mediocre preconceived notion about the FOY, one that you thought was justified by the incorrect original times, and are now refusing to acknowledge that the first two finishers ( at least ) ran a decent race. You so want to believe this that you are willing to pretend that a horse that has never run nearly as well as the first two in that race is actually a better horse.

Not a recipe for success at the racetrack. In fact, it's the opposite. We're all wrong a lot going into races....but those that refuse to acknowledge it after races are doomed to repeat the same mistakes.

Giant Moon is a nice horse. I don't think those that are buying into his confusing hype around here are really even that familiar with his pps.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Giant Moon would have been trounced in the FOY.

Yup.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Really? Based on what.....because you didn't like the FOY field going into the race? Because your jaw dropped when Giant Moon was able to overcome Spanky Fishbein in a stretch duel?

Honestly, I'm trying to get the logic. The Count Fleet field wasn't a better field than the FOY ( which Stevie Wonder could see by the way ) but you think Giant Moon, who had race dynamics in his favor, is better than what was in the FOY? Methinks you are sticking stubbornly to a mediocre preconceived notion about the FOY, one that you thought was justified by the incorrect original times, and are now refusing to acknowledge that the first two finishers ( at least ) ran a decent race. You so want to believe this that you are willing to pretend that a horse that has never run nearly as well as the first two in that race is actually a better horse.

Not a recipe for success at the racetrack. In fact, it's the opposite. We're all wrong a lot going into races....but those that refuse to acknowledge it after races are doomed to repeat the same mistakes.

Giant Moon is a nice horse. I don't think those that are buying into his confusing hype around here are really even that familiar with his pps.

yeah i didn't get that logic either. the Count Fleet was not as good a field, yet Giant Moon is better than what ran in the FOY? huh?

[blackthroatedwind]

If you're actually familiar with all of Giant Moon's races, and still think you have seen something special in him, then I really question your judgement. Was it the gold rail he rode to a narrow victory over Spanky Fishbein two back that caught your eye?

What exactly has Giant Moon shown that you think you have seen something to indicate that he is going to improve by leaps and bounds down the road?

IMO, Giant Moon has benefited from one good set-up after another and is a horse who is actually nowhere near as good as his undefeated record may look to novices. If anything, there is far more evidence that he will regress into relative obscurity than he will move forward to prominence. And, I say this actually hoping I am wrong, as I am a big fan of his trainer and would love to see him get some time in the spotlight and subsequently get the better stock that his supurb training skills warrant.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

You really can't understand how that happens? One horse does not make a field great. The field that Curlin beat in his maiden race at Gulfstream was not better than the Florida Derby field was but Curlin was still better than what ran in the Florida Derby wasn't he?

Curlin won by 17 lengths in a very fast time. Giant Moon beat Spanky Fishbein with the benefit of race dynamics working in his favor.

Nice analogy.

[blackthroatedwind]

Saying Giant Moon is ahead of either Cool Coal Man or Elysium Fields on a Derby List is indefensible based on their on track performances. You can say it's " my opinion " and I will tell you unequivicably that it is a bad one.

Good luck.

[blackthroatedwind]

I'm selective in bringing reality to your bad opinions. There is only so much time in the day.

It's fine for people to say that they hope certain horses improve, but there aren't 25 " interchangable horses " right now based on accomplishment and on track performance. You have maybe a dozen at the top around the country and then a bunch of guesses. I certainly understand, and agree, that horses can and will improve in the coming months. However, that doesn't make a poor analysis of a horse's actual races defendable.