Denis of Cork's owner: My bad

[hockey2315]

It was funny the first 5 times or so. . .

[Payson Dave]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

It was funny the first 5 times or so. . .

sooooo yer sayin that I'm a little slooooowww.....


perhaps it's all in his delivery and timing...or perhaps someone just needs to lighten da puck up

[Stall Mucker]

Bykman
Whether or not it was meant for public view or not, it was written and released. If the guy was just informing his friends he should have called. For good or bad someone released it.

Originally Posted by Kasept

As you'll see by my comment on the Blog, that letter was NOT for the public but a private Email to Mr. Warren's circle of friends.. It got out to some members of the racing media and Moran has been irresponsible as can be using it in the way he has. When informed that the Email had been widely circulated, Mr. Warren asked those decent enough to call him to not make it public.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Steve, I need to know. Do the Warren's and/or David Carroll have pictures of you that you don't want out?

What Moran did with this Email was really bad, and I was shocked by the inappropriateness of it. Those that know the Warrens say they are as generous and gracious a set of owners as exist anywhere in the game. Many in the media got to know them during Saint Liam's run. Using that Email in a blog format and passing it off as a note to the public was intrusive, mean-spirited, and designed to humiliate, and I think Moran will regret having done it. It reflects very poorly on him.

[Payson Dave]

Originally Posted by Kasept

What Moran did with this Email was really bad, and I was shocked by the inappropriateness of it. Those that know the Warrens say they are as generous and gracious a set of owners as exist anywhere in the game. Many in the media got to know them during Saint Liam's run. Using that Email in a blog format and passing it off as a note to the public was intrusive, mean-spirited, and designed to humiliate, and I think Moran will regret having done it. It reflects very poorly on him.

I agree.....








......PP's line was still funny however

[Linny]

I read the letter on a different site early this week, before Moran posted it, so clearly it was "out there" already when Paul put it on his site.
I have no idea how it was leaked to media other than that some media members may have been on Mr Warren's email list. If something like that lands in the inbox of most members of the press, it will go public.

My alternate theory is that someone on the list, feeling sympathetic for his friend (Warren) and hearing the bashing going on early this week may have released it to show Warren's admission of responsibility to DOC's fans etc.

[Riot]

As you'll see by my comment on the Blog,

I'm glad you made that comment. Needed to be said. And that e-mail is still up on the site.

You know ... if he had received this, Steve Haskin wouldn't have published it.

I know that the internet opens up everybody to immediate intimate scrutiny - heck, everything we've ever written here on this board is saved in some server. I've seen people I know make debacles of their reputation on internet lists, saying things they would never say in public or face to face.

But are class, empathy, respect, consideration, manners ... good taste ... just dead?

Am I a dinosaur?

Good insight into an owner.

Is he a trainer?

Why the hell hire a trainer if you got the course
all mapped out? He may be gracious etc... but let him
get his butt a training license and do the work.

Hell let him lose weight and ride the damn horse.

Stick to what you do best, and let the professional
you hired do the job. What is Carroll, just a trainer
that never thinks about horses, just piddles around
while the owners do the training?

No need to hire Carroll or a jockey. Just do it
for yourself.

Hubris squared.

Notre Dame man; oil man. Enough said.
Start thinking about Coal gasification and
stay away from your horse.

[10 pnt move up]

I think its rather foolish to send out an email to alot of people and not expect it to no get out, especially something as heart felt as that email.

This does not make the owner look bad at all IMO, he feels like he made a mistake, so what.

[letswastemoney]

If only every owner were as humble as he is

[cmorioles]

As to the horse, it just shows what pace can do to the outcome.

Denis of Cork's run in the Southwest (Pace 112, Speed 94) was the trip of a lifetime. I'm not going to photoshop pictures with circles, but he sat well of a runoff leader going way, way too fast and just inherited the win when all those in front of him collapsed. He had a perfect scenario and got a whopping mid 90s Beyer.

In the Illinois Derby, he stayed in basically the same spot, but the pace was a slow for those type horses. When the jockey of Golden Spikes took back, it allowed the leader to cruise alone up front and he simply had too much left turning for home and was never going to be caught.

Now, I don't think the track was particularly biased, though speed certainly didn't hurt, but the race was biased due to the pace. Even so, how do you explain him getting beaten rather easily by Atoned?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I'm not going to photoshop pictures with circles

Sissy.

If you did so for the Southwest and Rebel - the horse you'd focus on with the pictures would have been Sierra Sunset.

Both of them had Sacred Journey running off - but Sierra Sunset was being pestered by sprinter Silver Edition and never allowed to rate - where in the Rebel Sierra Sunset had an excellent tactical position.

While Denis Of Cork rated off that crazy fast pace in the Southwest - he was still in mid-pack - in front of half the field.

To me, it's not so much that DoC had a great trip - his trip was no better than all but three horses in the race - it's that the strong early pace set him up and allowed him to run his "ceiling" final time speed figure.

Where as the slow paced Hawthorne race was like a short sprint - with the top two finishers getting a head-start - and him stuck wide while the winner was on the best footing inside.

[cmorioles]

I already mentioned the Sierra Sunset trip in one of your picture threads. Do pay attention son.

Denis of Cork did have a better trip than those behind him, but they all sucked anyway, so he had the best trip of those that mattered in the Southwest. I bet him that day (just look back at the favorites!) but did not come away very impressed.

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Sissy.
Where as the slow paced Hawthorne race was like a short sprint - with the top two finishers getting a head-start - and him stuck wide while the winner was on the best footing inside.

Isn't that what I said? But like I also said, it doesn't explain getting whipped by Atoned.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Isn't that what I said?

Sorry man...

If you'd have just used pictures to try and get your point across....

Giggity

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

As to the horse, it just shows what pace can do to the outcome.

Denis of Cork's run in the Southwest (Pace 112, Speed 94) was the trip of a lifetime. I'm not going to photoshop pictures with circles, but he sat well of a runoff leader going way, way too fast and just inherited the win when all those in front of him collapsed. He had a perfect scenario and got a whopping mid 90s Beyer.

In the Illinois Derby, he stayed in basically the same spot, but the pace was a slow for those type horses. When the jockey of Golden Spikes took back, it allowed the leader to cruise alone up front and he simply had too much left turning for home and was never going to be caught.

Now, I don't think the track was particularly biased, though speed certainly didn't hurt, but the race was biased due to the pace. Even so, how do you explain him getting beaten rather easily by Atoned?

Why does it take 150 posts on this forum before we finally get a CORRECT interpretation of the obvious?

[ELA]

A Dubai company -- closely tied to the Royal Family, perhaps a Royal Family company -- buys Fasig Tipton -- and this is what people are talking about, LOL.

Much ado about nothing to me. I don't see the big deal at all.

Eric

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Why does it take 150 posts on this forum before we finally get a CORRECT interpretation of the obvious?

We're a ponderous lot...

[favoritetrick]

In the same respect, wouldn't it follow that Equidaily.com remove the direct link to the blog from their page, as well?

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by favoritetrick

In the same respect, wouldn't it follow that Equidaily.com remove the direct link to the blog from their page, as well?

I've suggested that to Seth Merrow..

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Why does it take 150 posts on this forum before we finally get a CORRECT interpretation of the obvious?

I thought the subject was the owner's admission
that he had done the wrong thing? You wanted
an interpretation of the race.

My interpretation of the thread concerned
an owner sending out an email to "friends"
apologizing for his horse's performance... How
the email got spread, and what this tells us
about Kasept's press buddy's responsibility,
as well as the something about the privacy
of email's.

I think it gives us some insight into owner's
who think they are trainers, but in reality
are oil businessmen.