Memo to Dutrow, Casino Drive is Godzilla

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Port Conway Lane

Bold Ruler and Somthingroyal.

LOL...Nice one!

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

I would never underestimate what distance breeding can do for a horse in a race like the Belmont. I mean Casino Drive has Better Than Honour and A.P. Indy as his grandsire...what more could you ask for?

How far will it move him up? How far is being by Boundary going to bring BB back to the field going 12fs?

If Casino Drive had more than a two race foundation the arguement for his pedigree moving him up on a 3 furlong stretch out would be stronger.

Big Brown has shown the ability to rate - switch off - and he responds with almost push button acceleration when asked.

While a case could be made, on naked pedigree analysis, that CD moves up 2 or 3 lengths and BB regresses 2 or 3 lengths .. the lack of racing foundation by CD and the way BB runs almost totally offsets the pedigree stuff.

No one in this crop has a race that makes them competitive with any of Big Brown's races. That's what the problem has been for BB's rivals throughout this series.

The time to take a negative stance against BB would have been in the Derby before he firmly established that he could switch off - rate wide - and still run to his best form at a classic distance.

It seems like people want to invent Casino Drive into a monster because he has the same mother as the hopeless Jazil and Rags To Riches. His two races don't match up to this hype.

[CSC]

The way Casino Drive is being talked up of late and leading up to The Belmont, Big Brown may be the distant second choice in the race.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

It seems like people want to invent Casino Drive into a monster because he has the same mother as the hopeless Jazil and Rags To Riches. His two races don't match up to this hype.

Yup.

[pick4]

Get ready to hear more of this nonsense. At another board I post at where most of the posters are logical, one joker thinks Big Brown will not run in the Belmont Stakes. I didn't respond to his assine post but I believe he was serious.

[blackthroatedwind]

There's no accountability on the internet therefore people just spew lunacy.

[pick4]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

There's no accountability on the internet therefore people just spew lunacy.

Free exchange of ideas is a good thing. I've learned a lot about handicapping and wagering through internet messageboards. I've also learned to be open about opposing ideas. But at the same time I've learned how to just laugh off insane rants by various jokers.

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by CSC

The way Casino Drive is being talked up of late and leading up to The Belmont, Big Brown may be the distant second choice in the race.

now that's just silly I say...3/5 on Big Brown....2/1 on Casino Drive.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Jesus, the only guys missing from this thread are Harding and Cheswick.

i don't know, looks to me like they're already here.

[zippyneedsawin]

well, at least his avatar is kinda funny.

[Better Than Honour]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

now that's just silly I say...3/5 on Big Brown....2/1 on Casino Drive.

Big Brown will be 1-9. Take it to the bank. Casino will probably be 4-1, just like Rags. I suspect Casino will do to Big Brown what Rags did to Curlin. The better horse won't win this race but the better 12f horse will win this race. I don't think Big Brown will want that last 1/4.

As for people saying Casino won't be close enough to Big Brown, Casino is a stalker or a front runner. He will be glued to Big Brown the entire way and then we will find out who wants to run 12f. I think Casino will run a solid 226 time. If Big Brown can top that then he deserves to win. This isn't going to be some cakewalk though where Big Brown can run a 228 and win. A sub 110 beyer probably won't do it against Casino at 12f.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Better Than Honour

Big Brown will be 1-9. Take it to the bank. Casino will probably be 4-1, just like Rags. I suspect Casino will do to Big Brown what Rags did to Curlin. The better horse won't win this race but the better 12f horse will win this race. I don't think Big Brown will want that last 1/4.

As for people saying Casino won't be close enough to Big Brown, Casino is a stalker or a front runner. He will be glued to Big Brown the entire way and then we will find out who wants to run 12f. I think Casino will run a solid 226 time. If Big Brown can top that then he deserves to win. This isn't going to be some cakewalk though where Big Brown can run a 228 and win. A sub 110 beyer probably won't do it against Casino at 12f.

Big Brown is bred to run all day ... not sure why you think he won't get the 12 panels.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Better Than Honour

Big Brown will be 1-9. Take it to the bank. Casino will probably be 4-1, just like Rags. I suspect Casino will do to Big Brown what Rags did to Curlin. The better horse won't win this race but the better 12f horse will win this race. I don't think Big Brown will want that last 1/4.

As for people saying Casino won't be close enough to Big Brown, Casino is a stalker or a front runner. He will be glued to Big Brown the entire way and then we will find out who wants to run 12f. I think Casino will run a solid 226 time. If Big Brown can top that then he deserves to win. This isn't going to be some cakewalk though where Big Brown can run a 228 and win. A sub 110 beyer probably won't do it against Casino at 12f.

You can tell all this on a maiden score and the US debut? And why is Casino Drive going to run a 110BSF because his plodding half brother did? I am not sure Casino could or would beat his half sister at this point in their respective careers. I think Rags would be second choice if hypothethically she were to be involved. I have no clue how you can project Casino to be better then Rags or more to the point capable of beating Big Brown.

[SuffolkGirl]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

You remind me of the ant floating down stream on his back yelling, "raise the drawbridge boys, I've got an erection"...

Thanks for the laugh, still smiling about this one

[Bobby Fischer]

Jazil was very average and won a weak Belmont, although the time was decent IIRC.


Rags beat Curlin because of a slow pace, not stamina or outright ability.


Casino Drive looks like he should be better than Jazil. Is Big Brown better than Bluegrass Cat and Sunriver?

It could be a good race. Brown has that huge tactical speed to go along with his huge ability and stamina.

[Better Than Honour]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Big Brown is bred to run all day ... not sure why you think he won't get the 12 panels.

He really isn't. He is by a sprinter. Maybe he outruns his pedigree but he is not a 12f horse.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Better Than Honour

He really isn't. He is by a sprinter. Maybe he outruns his pedigree but he is not a 12f horse.

whether or not he's a 12F horse, I don't know.
I do know he's going to win a big 12F race on june 7th.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by Better Than Honour

He really isn't. He is by a sprinter. Maybe he outruns his pedigree but he is not a 12f horse.

more to it than AWD per sire

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Better Than Honour

He really isn't. He is by a sprinter. Maybe he outruns his pedigree but he is not a 12f horse.

I would suggest looking a bit further into his female family.

[Better Than Honour]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I would suggest looking a bit further into his female family.

Look all you want. You better have it on top and bottom if you want to run 12f and beat a horse with Casino Drive's pedigree.