Some Questions about Big Brown

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

As opposed to?

Isn't it past your bed time?

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

If you are using Beyers then the figure should have been 104. While with a clean trip he could have run 109 he certainly didn't under the circumstances.

And doing it from the 20th post.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

As opposed to?

Good to know that Jazil and Birdstone are two of the three best winners of the Belmont in the past 13 years.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

As opposed to?

Mardi Gras beads.

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Isn't it past your bed time?

This coming from somebody with 6,281 posts. Nice credentials. Thanks for the welcome.

I'm still trying to figure out which one of you is making these mults.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

And doing it from the 20th post.

Yeah, I hadn't thought of that when I factored in his trip. Thanks for bringing this new fact to light.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

This coming from somebody with 6,281 posts. Nice credentials. Thanks for the welcome.

Yeah, Chuck, you really are a loser.

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Good to know that Jazil and Birdstone are two of the three best winners of the Belmont in the past 13 years.

Well you got me there and point taken. I just think you saying Big Brown is a slow 3 yr old is a little reckless. He has beaten some odds so far.

He was out of racing for six months last fall healing up
He only ran three races before the Derby.
He won the Derby from Post 20

And all his wins are blow outs.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

This coming from somebody with 6,281 posts. Nice credentials. Thanks for the welcome.

Based upon this thread I assumed you were 12. Sorry to have insulted you. By the way there is a no Big Brown posts after midnight rule. The 1000 or so threads about him are better served in daylight.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Yeah, Chuck, you really are a loser.

Tell me something I didn't know...

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

Well you got me there and point taken. I just think you saying Big Brown is a slow 3 yr old is a little reckless. He has beaten some odds so far.

He was out of racing for six months last fall healing up
He only ran three races before the Derby.
He won the Derby from Post 20

And all his wins are blow outs.

Point Given

I was kidding with the slow 3yo stuff. He's obviously a nice horse but he'd certainly be incredibly slow for a Triple Crown winner and should never be mentioned in the debates of great horses unless he throws up a monster performance in the Belmont. Yet he will just cause of so many people with no idea of what speed figures represent and a total lack of knowledge for how much faster horses have been in every other crop.

[tiggerv]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

This coming from somebody with 6,281 posts. Nice credentials. Thanks for the welcome.

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Point Given

I was kidding with the slow 3yo stuff. He's obviously a nice horse but he'd certainly be incredibly slow for a Triple Crown winner and should never be mentioned in the debates of great horses unless he throws up a monster performance in the Belmont. Yet he will just cause of so many people with no idea of what speed figures represent and a total lack of knowledge for how much faster horses have been in every other crop.

Will you explain to me the other ways of comparing horses if you throw out times. I honestly do not know so I would like to learn. I don't even know what Beyers means?

[skippy3481]

Times are meaningless unless apply track variant. Some days the track will be faster then others. I recommend you go onto amazon, type in beyer, and buy one of his books.

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by skippy3481

Times are meaningless unless apply track variant. Some days the track will be faster then others. I recommend you go onto amazon, type in beyer, and buy one of his books.

I will do that....thank you!

[ghartman02]

Do you think his odds will be even higher than 1-5 at Belmont?
He'll be 1-9 probably. The $2 win bet and if he wins keep as a souvineer will give you a higher ROI

If Big Brown wins the Triple Crown, is he a lock for Horse Of The Year even if he is not entered or loses Breeders Cup?
In 1978 I frankly thought Seattle Slew deserved HOY as he beat Affirmed in The Marlboro, however Slew finished 2nd in the JCGC but the best 2nd I have ever witnessed. IF Big Brown wins the TC he's HOY

How do you think Big Brown matches up against Curlin today?
It's a challenge for any 3 YO to beat an older horse. I think he matches up well though at this juncture but it's early in the year. Not putting the cart before the horse, I just hope we see these 2 race.

Can you name another horse or two that has had the type of explosiveness Big Brown has when called upon?
Currently Racing, perhaps Casino Drive. Big Brown's BIG question is seasoning. This is a lot for a horse to do.


It's not so much that Big Brown won impressively at The Kentucky Derby, but the fact that he did it from the 20th Post. I just think that is so incredible.[/i]
For whatever reason that seems to be dismissed because I agree winning from PP 20 is a tough chore, and the ease in which he won.

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by ghartman02

Do you think his odds will be even higher than 1-5 at Belmont?
He'll be 1-9 probably. The $2 win bet and if he wins keep as a souvineer will give you a higher ROI

If Big Brown wins the Triple Crown, is he a lock for Horse Of The Year even if he is not entered or loses Breeders Cup?
In 1978 I frankly thought Seattle Slew deserved HOY as he beat Affirmed in The Marlboro, however Slew finished 2nd in the JCGC but the best 2nd I have ever witnessed. IF Big Brown wins the TC he's HOY

How do you think Big Brown matches up against Curlin today?
It's a challenge for any 3 YO to beat an older horse. I think he matches up well though at this juncture but it's early in the year. Not putting the cart before the horse, I just hope we see these 2 race.

Can you name another horse or two that has had the type of explosiveness Big Brown has when called upon?
Currently Racing, perhaps Casino Drive. Big Brown's BIG question is seasoning. This is a lot for a horse to do.


It's not so much that Big Brown won impressively at The Kentucky Derby, but the fact that he did it from the 20th Post. I just think that is so incredible.[/i]
For whatever reason that seems to be dismissed because I agree winning from PP 20 is a tough chore, and the ease in which he won.

Thanks for the info. Does anyone know if any previous Triple Crown winners did not win HOY the year they won TC?

[ateamstupid]

Big Brown will be 1-5 at Belmont, I think Curlin would dust him, and there are plenty of horses that have had Big Brown's "turn of foot". That's all I feel strongly enough to chime in on.

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Big Brown will be 1-5 at Belmont, I think Curlin would dust him, and there are plenty of horses that have had Big Brown's "turn of foot". That's all I feel strongly enough to chime in on.

Just curious, do you ever make a 5-1 bet? I did in the Preakness but didn't win much. It still made watching the race more fun. Do you think BB could stand a chance at Curlin if both are injury free and ententered in Breeders Cup later this year?

I read the blogspot link you attached. Thank you! That guy makes a lot of sense to me.