Landis Tests + for blood doping

Something smells bad.
Testosterone levels high COMPARED to another one of its forms.
Testosterone is made naturally... Maybe these dopers are way ahead of the curve but I dont get it for Bikers. Would have had to have been done way ahead of time. This is not over. There must be more or he is getting screwed. I will wait on this one. It does not make sense from what I have tried to understand about testosterone in this particular endurance sport.

Originally Posted by pgardn

Every atom in your body has the potential of releasing an enormous amount of energy. Every atom in the universe does. When the universe first formed there was a certain amount of total energy. It remains the same.

The only problem is how do we release this energy within the atom. Its there... "naturally" from the beginning of the universe... actually a little after, when it was cool enough for these atoms to actually form.

Now for compounds ... atoms that are, we will say, stuck (bonded) together.
Bonds are basically energy harnessed in electrons of the compound. Electrons make bonds possible. Electrons exist in compounds at a number of diff energy levels. These compounds were also created "naturally". Again the problem is releasing this bond energy. If we can make the compound a little less stable, by adding some atoms artificially, like the reaction given in the other post, we have essentially moved the boulder (the energy tied up in the chemical bonds) to the edge of the cliff. Just a little push now and bang...

If you need me to explain further I will. Gotta go now.

you keep talking about the universe like you know for CERTAIN how it was formed. according to the theologians scientist are merely the devil in diguise speaking heretically and in direct conflict with the various creation myths. They spew their arrogant theories about as though THEY ARE the creators
and where given mortal life to enlighten us all as to how things were done. hogwash !

all you create is a little self fulfilling theory of nothingness.

when was the universe first formed ? ,

something must have existed before it was formed in order to form it, NO ?
and in what "plane" did this "stuff" exist.
does the universe rest in another plane ? seperate from this stuff that created it ?
and from what was the first bits of matter created,
and where did these bits come from before it became matter.

I think its funny the way this generation of scietist talk, like they have a direct phone line with the CEO creator and have confirmed their weak minded little ideas with him.

the universe and the creation cannot be defined by what it is.
it can only be defined as what it IS NOT.

we are not capable of comprehending what it IS, all we can comprehend is what it is NOT.
if we could identify what it was we could make more.


this will never happen, ever.

Originally Posted by brockguy

I thought his comeback ride after that bad day in the mountains was just too good to be true, I had never seen something that extreme in the sport.. he looked dead and buried one day and was as fit as a flea the other.. I Like the man, its a good story but.. its really is a shame

i used to have a license to race back in the teenage days before i realized that most of the men in the game have no attraction to the ladies. then i just started to bike as a tourist. Cycling is all respiration, and it is the closest thing to horse racing as far as sports go. as a cyclist you know what it means "to ask your legs for a response" either there is one or there is not depending upon the lactic acid remaining in the legs form the last time you asked. the same can br transferred to a horse, they ask for a response in the lane, and either they get on or they don't. his trip tothe mountains was extra ordinary. in my mind i feel he injected himself. he didn't care. he wanted to win and did what he needed to do to win, cheat: just like barry "soon to be out on" bonds. for him to make up that much time in the mountains is not normal. i doubt if eddie mercx or bernard hinault himself could have achieved that.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by whorstman

Cycling analyst John Eustice thinks Floyd Landis' testosterone test could be a false positive. Landis' testosterone levels were low; just the ratio was off. Landis' cortisone shots or beer drinking could affect that. We should know the "B" sample result within a week, Eustice said on The Dan Patrick Show.

THIS IS A GREAT SIGN THAT HE'LL BE CLEARED! The explaination that the cortisone shots for pain contributed to the false positive.. hoping for that

[irishtrekker]

Originally Posted by Secretariat

I think its funny the way this generation of scientist talk, like they have a direct phone line with the CEO creator and have confirmed their weak minded little ideas with him.

Woah, first of all, that's a little out of left field in the context of this discussion, but...

No offense, but replace the word "scientist" with the word "creationists," and you could say the same thing.

I went to Catholic school through my freshman year in high school. Our science teachers always taught evolution, the big bang theory, etc. So there you go. I'm a Catholic who believes in evolution. No problem for me with that.

--Irish, hoping she didn't just ignite a powderkeg...

[irishtrekker]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

THIS IS A GREAT SIGN THAT HE'LL BE CLEARED! The explaination that the cortisone shots for pain contributed to the false positive.. hoping for that

I hope so, too! I have a difficult time believing Landis would so something so stupid when it would be blatantly clear that he'd get tested afterwards...fingers are crossed!

Originally Posted by Secretariat

you keep talking about the universe like you know for CERTAIN how it was formed. according to the theologians scientist are merely the devil in diguise speaking heretically and in direct conflict with the various creation myths. They spew their arrogant theories about as though THEY ARE the creators
and where given mortal life to enlighten us all as to how things were done. hogwash !

all you create is a little self fulfilling theory of nothingness.

when was the universe first formed ? ,

something must have existed before it was formed in order to form it, NO ?
and in what "plane" did this "stuff" exist.
does the universe rest in another plane ? seperate from this stuff that created it ?
and from what was the first bits of matter created,
and where did these bits come from before it became matter.

I think its funny the way this generation of scietist talk, like they have a direct phone line with the CEO creator and have confirmed their weak minded little ideas with him.

the universe and the creation cannot be defined by what it is.
it can only be defined as what it IS NOT.

we are not capable of comprehending what it IS, all we can comprehend is what it is NOT.
if we could identify what it was we could make more.


this will never happen, ever.

WTF are you talking about?
Go reread the posts and read what I said about where energy comes from...
Block you are totally foolish. Science is just a way humans have to try and understand the way the world appears to work. Ya got something better?

God-forbid if you go in for chemotherapy, please refuse it. Its all hogwash. Just have your wife do a "get well" dance around your hospital bed. All should be fine.


something must have existed before it was formed in order to form it, NO ?
and in what "plane" did this "stuff" exist.

WE DONT KNOW YOU BUBBLEHEAD. THATS WHAT I POSTED.

BUT WE DO HAVE A GOOD IDEA WHEN THE CURRENT UNIVERSE FORMED BY REMNANTS OF ENERGY GIVEN OFF BY VERY DISTANCE STARS.

And they say the US is way behind other countries in understanding what science is and is not. Exhibit A: Blockhead.

Blocky try this one on... Time.
If events never occur, it has no meaning. If we dont have any idea of events before the big bang, we can say nothing about time. Time is a HUMAN construct just like space is. It is a model we use for understanding the sequence of events. Without events, there is no such thing as time, it makes no sense. Try this one blocman... Space. If nothing exists, what the hell does space mean? Nothing. Space does not exist unless things exist. Again, SPACE is a human construct to try to make sense of the world.

God did not invent the IDEAS of space and time, we did. God Lord help this man.

I must now formally apologize to Oracle.

I thought he got on Bloc to heavily about the horses. Like Bloc had not a clue. Now I know why. Bloc if you understand horses as well as you understand what Science is and is not... God help you.

[Downthestretch55]

Pgardn,
I'm laughing so hard I can hardly type. Thanks for the gawfaws.
I also got a pretty good idea for a script from your post.
My son, Adam, is in the biz in NYC. I'll run it by him to see what he thinks.
Without getting into it too much, there will be three main characters (no real names) based on P,B,O. They will communicate frequently on a message board and drive each other completely crazy.
This site is SO inspiring and full of gut busting laughs!
Thanks!
DTS

DTS.
Im glad someone is laughing cause I am crying. If the US is full of like-minded blockheaded people we are in big trouble.

When the universe first formed from the big bang. Where did that energy come from? who the hell knows.


Yes science can certainly figure out everything just like my quote from way back in this thread illustrates. Where in God's name did you get the idea people in Science think they got it all figured out?

You got one thing right blockhead. We NEVER will understand everything.


I get way to serious about trying to make people understand stuff that seems obvious. Its like they are starving and I got to give them food... I need to retire with adults and get back to 16-18 year olds. They are still flexible and do not wish to starve.

Originally Posted by pgardn

WTF are you talking about?
Go reread the posts and read what I said about where energy comes from...
Block you are totally foolish. Science is just a way humans have to try and understand the way the world appears to work. Ya got something better?

God-forbid if you go in for chemotherapy, please refuse it. Its all hogwash. Just have your wife do a "get well" dance around your hospital bed. All should be fine.


something must have existed before it was formed in order to form it, NO ?
and in what "plane" did this "stuff" exist.

WE DONT KNOW YOU BUBBLEHEAD. THATS WHAT I POSTED.

BUT WE DO HAVE A GOOD IDEA WHEN THE CURRENT UNIVERSE FORMED BY REMNANTS OF ENERGY GIVEN OFF BY VERY DISTANCE STARS.

And they say the US is way behind other countries in understanding what science is and is not. Exhibit A: Blockhead.

Blocky try this one on... Time.
If events never occur, it has no meaning. If we dont have any idea of events before the big bang, we can say nothing about time. Time is a HUMAN construct just like space is. It is a model we use for understanding the sequence of events. Without events, there is no such thing as time, it makes no sense. Try this one blocman... Space. If nothing exists, what the hell does space mean? Nothing. Space does not exist unless things exist. Again, SPACE is a human construct to try to make sense of the world.

God did not invent the IDEAS of space and time, we did. God Lord help this man.

well im glad you two are amused, thats what im here for

isn't it ?

i won't even get into how wrong you are and how much circular reasoning you utilize in between the insults.
i never once spoke directly to YOU in a condescending manner.
i tried to digest the garbage you put out as fact without once insulting you. a feat you seem incapable of doing.

when the message is not understood or requires understanding beyond yours... you attack the messenger..

i would expect that from some here, you shame yourselfs.

so what else is new here.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by pgardn

DTS.
Im glad someone is laughing cause I am crying. If the US is full of like-minded blockheaded people we are in big trouble.

When the universe first formed from the big bang. Where did that energy come from? who the hell knows.


Yes science can certainly figure out everything just like my quote from way back in this thread illustrates. Where in God's name did you get the idea people in Science think they got it all figured out?

You got one thing right blockhead. We NEVER will understand everything.

Pat,
You take it so seriously.
See the humor in it, ok?
The words "who the hell knows?" crack me up!
Seriously, I've tried to explain to others how genetics makes sense and how an embryo is different from a fetus. I've done my best to explain Darwinian thinking vs "intelligent design". Some get it, some don't. Never will as their mind already has "constructs" that they'll never let go of.
So, don't get frustrated. Keep patience as you continue to inform.
And when all else fails...LAUGH!!!

It REALLY is kind of humourous.
Wayne

I forget Jonathan Swift yet again:

Do not try and reason a man out of something he did not reason himself into.

My bad.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Secretariat

well im glad you two are amused, thats what im here for

isn't it ?

i won't even get into how wrong you are and how much circular reasoning you utilize in between the insults.
i never once spoke directly to YOU in a condescending manner.
i tried to digest the garbage you put out as fact without once insulting you. a feat you seem incapable of doing.

when the message is not understood or requires understanding beyond yours... you attack the messenger..

i would expect that from some here, you shame yourselfs.

so what else is new here.

Paul,
Please take it from me that I intended absolutely no cut at you.
I got a giggle out of Pat's response. It also gave me an idea for a script.
If you took it the wrong way...well, let's just go back to racing.
Wayne
That's all.

[whorstman]

Originally Posted by Secretariat

well im glad you two are amused, thats what im here for

isn't it ?

i won't even get into how wrong you are and how much circular reasoning you utilize in between the insults.
i never once spoke directly to YOU in a condescending manner.
i tried to digest the garbage you put out as fact without once insulting you. a feat you seem incapable of doing.

when the message is not understood or requires understanding beyond yours... you attack the messenger..

i would expect that from some here, you shame yourselfs.

so what else is new here.

You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little f@cked up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to f@ckin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?