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[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Ok let my get this right the Aga Khan, Tabor, The FN queen, Sheiks, Widensteins, give a Flying you know what about the dollar as it relates to purse structure or horse flesh.. Or better yet the expenses of shipping to California.. Reality check folks purses mean nothing to anyone except the the industry and the people who work in it. Sure there are some majorinal wealthy people who stand to impact their net worth with a true champion but give me a break that represents what 10% of the potential field..

"Hello Ms. Webber your check for 16k is in the mail for shipping your filly to SA" What the heck is 16k, 200 feet of fence?

300, painted

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

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The purse is completely irrelevant to all but a handful of owners.. Sure if DrugS and I were to be so fortunate as to win a BC race it would be significant to DrugS.. If I had a Smarty Jones or a 40 million dollar champion it would be significant to me. But winning a 1.2mil purse means what to most owners a good toast at dinner and barrel of good fun which is priceless.. The purse isn't priceless winning is

Assuming your theory were true than why are so many of them so reluctant to part with any of that meaningless cash? You are correct in a sense but some of the cheapest people I have ever met are the richest ones.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

300, painted

Exactly

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Assuming your theory were true than why are so many of them so reluctant to part with any of that meaningless cash? You are correct in a sense but some of the cheapest people I have ever met are the richest ones.

There are cheap wealthy people . The point is the industry shouldn't beg them or pay for them to run there stock. IF I trained a horse that I thought would be successful racing at the BC and the owner was to cheap to pay the expenses I would say simply its on me win or lose. At which point the owner would either say you feel that strongly we should run or don't be ridiculous get the van ready.

[Danzig]

thing is tho, the bc is billed as the 'world championship' (which imo is laughable) and wants to be thought of as one of the premiere racing events in the world. so shouldn't they go the same extra mile as hong kong or dubai? owners know what happens elsewhere, so why not the bc? and if they can't do it, they should change their name!
the bc puts on 2 days of racing, which nets them a lot of tv money and all handle for the races. plus factor in sponsorship of the races by john deere, dodge, etc. the bc can afford to pay shipping, especially to those coming in from overseas.

if they (the bc powers that be) want to be a world wide event, they need to treat it like one!

[jwkniska]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Assuming your theory were true than why are so many of them so reluctant to part with any of that meaningless cash? You are correct in a sense but some of the cheapest people I have ever met are the richest ones.

Here's a prime documented example...... Bill Gates... richest guy in the world... goes to Vegas, won't spend more than 1 line on a nickel slot.

The ones I look up to... are the ones that have $$ and want to get into sports... and look at things the fan's way. Win, period.

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by Danzig

thing is tho, the bc is billed as the 'world championship' (which imo is laughable) and wants to be thought of as one of the premiere racing events in the world. so shouldn't they go the same extra mile as hong kong or dubai? owners know what happens elsewhere, so why not the bc? and if they can't do it, they should change their name!
the bc puts on 2 days of racing, which nets them a lot of tv money and all handle for the races. plus factor in sponsorship of the races by john deere, dodge, etc. the bc can afford to pay shipping, especially to those coming in from overseas.

if they (the bc powers that be) want to be a world wide event, they need to treat it like one!

i can see the BC not paying the shipping fees but "win and you're in" should NOT have a entry fee with it.
the BC should be embarassed for saying to the the owner of Spirit One."congrats, you're in the BC that will be $250k please."

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by ddthetide

i can see the BC not paying the shipping fees but "win and you're in" should NOT have a entry fee with it.
the BC should be embarassed for saying to the the owner of Spirit One."congrats, you're in the BC that will be $250k please."

They have to charge the supplemental fee or else you would have no one nominate in the first place and the entire program would collapse. What they should eliminate though is the entry fee (1% of purse) and starting fee (1.5% of purse) for the winners of Win and You're In races.

[Norfolk]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Why would the costs be a consideration to shipping and racing EA in the Breeders Cup? I am perplexed why owners feel that the industry should provide free transit and prepaid expenses.. In your horses case you are free to do want you think is in his best interest but the thought that his best interests are better served if transit is free is somewhat strange IMO.

Would you kindly read my post and show me where I said that the BC should pay shipping cost. What I did say and stand by is the win your in is nothing than hype. It is a promotion for the fans.
As for "Why would the costs be a consideration to shipping and racing EA in the Breeders Cup?". Why wouldn't it be?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

They have to charge the supplemental fee or else you would have no one nominate in the first place and the entire program would collapse. What they should eliminate though is the entry fee (1% of purse) and starting fee (1.5% of purse) for the winners of Win and You're In races.

but like dd said ,win and you're in--but not really.

i mean, that is one hell of a supplemental fee. even the kentucky derby has late nominations before the big supplement kicks in. .is that available with the bc races?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Norfolk

Would you kindly read my post and show me where I said that the BC should pay shipping cost. What I did say and stand by is the win your in is nothing than hype. It is a promotion for the fans.
As for "Why would the costs be a consideration to shipping and racing EA in the Breeders Cup?". Why wouldn't it be?

You didn't but others in the thread suggested that they(NTRA) should. I would imagine the costs are completely insignificant. Your champion is a treasure and clearly one of the best story lines currently in racing surely he has earned the opportunity to continue to expand on his illustrious career. I would suspect that the 20k to get him there and back is certainly is amount that he will earn in the event as well as the implied value to watching him succeed in such a prestious event. Obviously it's your right to run or not run but such wonderful stories are few and far between. Win lose or draw your horse's attedence would be a windfall for all. Not running IMO because of the costs would be a missed opportunity for his fans to enjoy. Not running because it wasn't in the horses best interest is much different then 20k in shipping expense. Hopefully shipping expense is far down on the list of reasons not to run.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Norfolk

Would you kindly read my post and show me where I said that the BC should pay shipping cost. What I did say and stand by is the win your in is nothing than hype. It is a promotion for the fans.
As for "Why would the costs be a consideration to shipping and racing EA in the Breeders Cup?". Why wouldn't it be?

I think I know the answer to this, but has Attire been on a synethic track before? I don't think he has but I can't remember......

Reason I say this is because given how synethic tracks play, he should relish them given his running style....

[TheSpyder]

I know I am very cheap so I think you're right and I rest in an elite wealth catagory: el broke'

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Assuming your theory were true than why are so many of them so reluctant to part with any of that meaningless cash? You are correct in a sense but some of the cheapest people I have ever met are the richest ones.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Danzig

but like dd said ,win and you're in--but not really.

i mean, that is one hell of a supplemental fee. even the kentucky derby has late nominations before the big supplement kicks in. .is that available with the bc races?

Win and you're guaranteed a spot in the field. If you didn't nominate in the first place when your horse was a foal (which is what pays for the program) then you still have to supplement. If you didn't require that then no one would ever waste the money on nominating when they could just go by the philosophy that if their horse was good enough to be in the BC then he could win a Win and You're In race. It is silly though that they won't waive the entry and starting fees though if you win a Win and You're In race.

BTW, it would only cost Evening Attire $12,500 to run plus shipping costs so it isn't like that should really be a big deterrent from running for $500,000.