PROGRAMMING ALERT: 'Clemente' on PBS; 9pm

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by ddthetide

that ment the better half had control of the remote
besides, antiques road show is kinda cool.

Actually, The Tina hates Roadshow... I have a number of antique collection interests and have watched it for years. Has a great pulse for trends in the collectable markets.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Actually, The Tina hates Roadshow... I have a number of antique collection interests and have watched it for years. Has a great pulse for trends in the collectable markets.

Have you been to the store New Old Stuff in Troy? They have some pretty neat stuff...I don't know how antique-ish it is though.

The retirement home awaits the arrival
of antique people.

[Cannon Shell]

Hank is an antique

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Hank is an antique

Hank is a very cool antique! he buzzes around the farm pretty good. would have Never guessed he was that old.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ddthetide

Hank is a very cool antique! he buzzes around the farm pretty good. would have Never guessed he was that old.

He is back at work at the track again. No Social Security for him.

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He is back at work at the track again. No Social Security for him.

slave driver.

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

As if being a Tide Fan isn't bad enough....

yes it has been tough lately

[cabvmd]

Saw the Roberto Clemete story as well. Great but also a sad story. It was tough, "On the Waterfront" with Brando was on at the same time on TCM so I was back and forth.

PBS, History Ch, Discovery, TCM and TLC and any good sports telacast are my main TV viewing.

PS great sow on ATR Monday afternoon!

[cabvmd]

Saw the Roberto Clemete story as well. Great but also a sad story. It was tough, "On the Waterfront" with Brando was on at the same time on TCM so I was back and forth.

PBS, History Ch, Discovery, TCM and TLC and any good sports telacast are my main TV viewing.

PS great show on ATR Monday afternoon!

[Round Pen]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Different defensive metrics serve different purposes. Our Fielding Runs Above Average is strongest in terms of comparing performances across eras or levels, but it can produce different results than the others, which seem unanimous in their condemnation of Cabrera's work in the field. Even if he can't play defense, Cabrera is an MVP candidate every year thanks to his bat. Using Bill James's similarity scores, which don't adjust for era, Cabrera's top statistical comp at every age has been Hank Aaron, and if the visual doesn't work very well, the numbers don't lie-he's in the early stages of a Hall of Fame career. Moving to the Tigers changes nothing for him, save the possibility that he'll spend some time at DH or even first base. Concerns about his weight are overblown; if he was ripped, they'd say other things about him.

From 2008 Baseball Prospectus

I think the People Who wrote that need to Check with the Sportswriters Cabrera has never been Close to Winning the MVP oops He did Recieve 1 8th place vote in 2008 I think THe Closest he has ever been was in 2005 he finished 6th or 7th And He has Never recieved any 1st or 2nd Place votes.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Round Pen

I think the People Who wrote that need to Check with the Sportswriters Cabrera has never been Close to Winning the MVP oops He did Recieve 1 8th place vote in 2008 I think THe Closest he has ever been was in 2005 he finished 6th or 7th And He has Never recieved any 1st or 2nd Place votes.

Is this a defense of your position? Clemente did not even make the all star team his first 5 years in a league with far fewer players. His best MVP finish before the age of 31 was 4th. He won 1 MVP in 18 years. Clemente had two 100 rbi seasons in 18 years. He had two 90 rbi seasons. He had three 20 hr seasons. His life time average was a good .317 but only .007 points better than Cabrera, his onbase % is 20 points lower. While there is no doubt that he is far superior in the field, the MVP defense is weak.

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Is this a defense of your position? Clemente did not even make the all star team his first 5 years in a league with far fewer players. His best MVP finish before the age of 31 was 4th. He won 1 MVP in 18 years. Clemente had two 100 rbi seasons in 18 years. He had two 90 rbi seasons. He had three 20 hr seasons. His life time average was a good .317 but only .007 points better than Cabrera, his onbase % is 20 points lower. While there is no doubt that he is far superior in the field, the MVP defense is weak.

that just proves that clemente played with and against better players and had to bat against far better pitching.