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09-28-2009, 07:27 PM
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no way the aints are a paper bull..no one has tried to beat up on breeze yet
and sanchez is doing very well.. 
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09-28-2009, 09:35 PM
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QB Stats of all kinds are devalued because of the rule changes, but this obviously means more in terms of cross-era comparison. That aside, Moss is one of the best WR of all time.
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09-28-2009, 10:48 PM
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We have seen players with and without Brady. Deion Branch? Troy Brown? Jabbar Gaffney? Brady has a true stud wide receiver for ONE YEAR and look what he does. He breaks the record for TD passes and goes undefeated during the regular season.
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09-29-2009, 07:12 AM
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* An over the hill backup Randall Cunningham had a 15-1 season with Moss. The only loss was at Tampa against Tony Dungy where Cunningham went 21-for-25 with 291 passing yards and 2 TD passes. They lost that one game because Alscott and Dunn BOTH ran for over 100 yards and Minny's defense couldn't get off the field. * An over the hill backup Jeff George went 10-2 with Moss One of the two defeats was at Tampa Bay. They outgained Tampa 339-to-190. The other loss was 31-28 at Kansas City in a game where they LOST 4 fumbles. They dominated the Cowboys by 17 in the first round of the playoffs .. but lost a shoot out the following week in which Jeff George threw for 423 yards and 4 TD passes. * Gus Frerotte was perfect as a starter with Moss and the offense avg'd a mere 37 points a game under him. Frerotte avg'd 3 TD passes per start. * In Todd Bouman's first start for the Vikings he went 21-for-31 348, yards, 4 passing TD's and just 1 INT in a 42-24 win over the Tennessee Titans. * Matt Cassell - who never saw the field in College - went 11-5 as a starter and threw for 3,700 yards with a 89.4 passer rating. In a Randy Moss offense ... almost any bum off of the street will look like a superstar playing qb, slot reciever, and tight end. And the rb's wont get as many carries but the average yards per carry will increase. However, that all depends on the pass blocking capability of the offensive line. The offense with Moss was brilliant in Oakland in the rare games when the O-line wasn't downright man handled. The offense was terrible when the line was giving up a sack every other pass attempt. Thus, the way to correctly build a Moss offense is to focus solely on an offensive line of pass blocking specialists that allow enough time for him to run deep routes and double moves. The one advantage Culpepper had was that he was 270lbs and fairly mobile - even when the line didn't play good .. he was so hard to tackle that he completed a lot of short stuff underneath with defenders hanging off of him. However, he had to be the single worst game manager I've ever seen. No one was ever better at losing shootouts where both sides were getting gashed on defense.
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09-30-2009, 10:30 PM
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1985 Dan Marino. 1987 John Elway 1989 Joe Montana 1992 Steve Young 1995 Troy Aikman 1999 Steve McNair 2000 Brett Favre 2004 Peyton Manning 2007 Tom Brady Against...lets say the 1985 Chicago Bears Defense.
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09-30-2009, 10:57 PM
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09-30-2009, 11:29 PM
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I think for 1 big game I would take my chance with Steve Young in his prime.
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10-01-2009, 07:48 AM
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There was no one better than 43 year old George Blanda coming off the bench.
 In 1970, Blanda was released during the preseason, but bounced back to establish his 21st professional season as one of the more dramatic comebacks in sports history. Beginning with the October 25 game at Pittsburgh, Blanda put together five straight clutch performances. Against the Steelers, Blanda threw for three touchdowns in relief of an injured Daryle Lamonica. One week later, his 48-yard field goal with three seconds remaining salvaged a 17-17 tie with the Kansas City Chiefs. Repeating the thrilling finish on November 8, Blanda once again came off the bench to throw for a touchdown pass to tie the Cleveland Browns with 1:34 remaining, then kicked a 53-yard field goal with 0:03 left for the 23-20 win. In the team's next game, Blanda replaced Lamonica in the fourth quarter and connected with Fred Biletnikoff on a touchdown pass with 2:28 left in the game to defeat the Denver Broncos, 24-19. The incredible streak concluded one week later when Blanda's 16-yard field goal in the closing seconds defeated the San Diego Chargers, 20-17. In the AFC title game against the Baltimore Colts, Blanda again relieved an injured Lamonica and had a superb performance, completing 17 of 32 passes for 217 yards and 2 touchdowns while also kicking a 48-yard field goal and two extra points, keeping the Raiders in the game until the final quarter, when he was intercepted twice. Aged 43, he became the oldest quarterback ever to play in a championship game and was one of the few remaining straight-ahead kickers in the NFL. Last edited by herkhorse : 10-01-2009 at 08:17 AM.
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10-01-2009, 08:42 AM
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I'd say either 89 MOntana, 92 Steve Young or 07 Tom Brady
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10-01-2009, 10:59 AM
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Take a guy like Troy Aikman, he's not in the top 100 QBs to ever live but when you have one of the greatest O-Lines in football history, Emmit Smith in the backfield, and Michael Irvin, Alvin Harper, and Jay Novacek to throw to you become a Hall of Famer. Hell, Mark Rypien won a Super Bowl for one of the most dominant single season teams I have ever seen strictly cause they had the most amazing line in NFL history.
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10-01-2009, 12:33 PM
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The three I mentioned, while watching them play, have performed better in big games than Peyton, or McNabb, or a lot of QB's. Clutch is a huge thing that doesnt have a stat to measure it. Its been a fact that Peyton hasnt played as well in Clutch situations as Brady. Peyton is a better QB IMO but I'll take Brady in a Clutch situation over pretty much anyone. Clutchness is as important as any other factor in my opinion. This poll was about which QB would you want in the Superbowl, which is the most Clutch situation in football. I'd take Brady, Montana, or Young over anyone. And Brady may actually be my first pick.
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10-01-2009, 01:11 PM
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Vinatieri was clutch, there is nothing remarkable about Brady in clutch situations, that is largely a myth cause he's a popular celebrity, similar to people regarding Jeter as a great clutch hitter when he's just solid in the clutch.
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10-01-2009, 01:39 PM
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10-01-2009, 01:42 PM
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10-01-2009, 02:12 PM
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It has everything to do with defense why the Patriots win more games. Look at the almost perfect correlation between the Patriots defensive rank and their record since Brady took over in 2001:
4th - 16-0 6th - 12-4 7th - 14-2 9th - 14-2 10th - 11-5 (injured) 23rd - 9-7 24th - 11-5 26th - 10-6 On the other hand Peyton Manning has had exactly one defense better than 11th since 2003 and that happened to correspond with the year the Patriots went 16-0. Yet he's still managed these records: 12-4 12-4 14-2 12-4 13-3 12-4 Of course in the playoffs that lack of defense has hurt them but very few of the playoff losses have been Manning's fault. And guess what, the only time Manning got to go head to head with Brady in the playoffs at home, he won.
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10-01-2009, 06:15 PM
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Putting it all on the defense as the reason why Brady wins and Manning loses is not right. Let's check out some numbers. I looked at their complete records as starting quarterbacks in the NFL, including the playoffs and not including this season's numbers. Here's what I found.
During the regular season: Games-Manning 176, Brady 111 Winning %- Brady .784, Manning .665 TD-Manning 333, Brady 197 Int-Manning 165, Brady 86 TD %-Manning 5.6, Brady 5.4 Int %-Manning 2.8, Brady 2.3 Yards-Manning 45628, Brady 26394 YPG-Manning 259.3, Brady 237.8 Completion %-Manning 64.4, Brady 63.0 QB rating-Manning 94.8, Brady 93.0 From the numbers here, Brady wins at a much higher percentage but that has a lot to do with team play. Looking at the TD% is shows that they are pretty much equal there but Brady is better at not throwing as many interceptions. Manning throws for more yards obviously but their accuracy is pretty much the same and their quarterback ratings are very close. Playoffs Games-Manning 15, Brady 17 Winning %-Brady .824, Manning .467 TD-Brady 26, Manning 22 Int-Brady 12, Manning 17 TD %-Brady 4.3, Manning 4.0 Int %-Brady 2.0, Manning 3.0 Yards-Manning 4208, Brady 3954 YPG-Manning 280.5, Brady 232.6 Completion %-Brady 62.5, Manning 61.7 QB rating-Brady 88.0, Manning 85.0 It's no contest here. Manning doesn't even have a winning record (7-8) while Brady is 14-3. Brady is more accurate by completion %, has a better td% and is again better with keeping the interceptions down. Manning's td to int ratio is horrible. Brady's is more than 2-1. The only thing that Manning has an advantage in is more yards. Conference championships and Super Bowls Games-Brady 9, Manning 3 Winning %-Brady .778, Manning .667 TD-Brady 13, Manning 3 Int-Brady 6, Manning 6 TD %-Brady 4.3, Manning 2.3 Int %-Brady 2.0, Manning 4.5 Yards-Brady 2001, Manning 833 YPG-Manning 277.7, Brady 222.3 Completion %-Brady 63.9, Manning 56.8 QB rating-Brady 89.3, Manning 64.4 You've got to be kidding me to compare the two. Obviously, Brady with six more games is going to have more touchdowns and more yards and as usual Manning passes for many more yards per game. Manning has as many interceptions in three games as Brady has in nine. Brady's td-int ratio is still better than 2-1 while Manning's is 2-1.....in the wrong direction. Brady is much more accurate and the rating is not even in the same area code. Interesting to see how as the stakes go up, Brady either holds steady with his numbers or increases them while Manning drops considerably in every area except for passing yards and the only reason he keeps that up is because he's usually losing and they are throwing the ball to get back into the games. Brady is right on the same level with Manning in the regular season and completely destroys him in the playoffs and in the championship games. You can blame the Indy defense all you want but I don't see how the same defense that gets you 12 wins a year every year becomes so horrible in the playoffs and how that bad defense means that Manning has to become a much less accurate and effective quarterback.
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